[identity profile] an-english-girl.livejournal.com
Welcome back to the community read-along of all the books (so far!). This week, we’re starting A Conspiracy of Kings, reading from the start of the Prologue “The king of Attolia was passing....” to the end of Chapter 12 “...You came in. And you laughed.” Thirteen chapters sounds like a lot, but some of them are actually very short, so please keep reading and don’t panic!

These discussions are spoiler-free for the new short stories The Wine Shop and The Knife Dance, as well as for the ARC Thick As Thieves. If you have any comments on these in relation to ACoK, please write them down or tell them to the cat, so you’ll remember them to share with everyone else in Less Than A Month’s Time!!! :D

Obviously, there will be spoilers for the four extant books, so if you’re very very new to this fandom, I echo the Queen of Attolia: Go Away – and finish reading all four books!

Do not expand the cut unless you are prepared to madly fangirl/over-analyse ACoK and the rest of the series )
[identity profile] an-english-girl.livejournal.com
Do you think I could enter the following? As a sort of Grown Up Lego?

Conspiracy of Kings, you know ;D
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Thanks to everyone who's volunteered so far! With the deadline for sign-ups fast approaching (February 12th), I'm still in need of at least two more people to help lead discussions.

If you're unfamilar with the community wide re-read and discussion to celebrate the release of "Thick as Thieves" (starting February 26th and concluding May 14th), please read all about it HERE. We're starting with "The Queen of Attolia" having just done a read-along for "The Thief" in September. If you didn't get a chance to participate back in September, there's no time like the present!
Chapters 1-3 - Chapters 4-6 - Chapters 7-9 - Chapters 10-12.

These discussions will be spoiler free for "Thick as Thieves" as well as the new short stories, "Wine Shop" and "Knife Dance."

If you're just participating in the read-along, no sign-ups are required. Just bring your lovley reprobatish selves!

What does it mean to volunteer as a discussion lead and how do I sign up?
If you sign up, you will be responsible for opening discussions the start of your week, which will be a Sunday. It would be preferable if the opening post is up by Saturday (the day before your week starts), but the official due date is midnight on Sunday, the first day of your week. You're free to make your post as elborate as you like or keep it simply with just a few topics and observations to get things going. It would also be best if you’re available during your week to respond to comments and foster discussion, but that’s not absolutely necessary.

Sign up by emailing me at ninedaysaqueenmod@gmail.com or comment if you have any questions. Please, title your email QT read-along.

I will need-
Your Livejournal username.
Which section or book you’d prefer. (This helps me make decisions.)
If there are any sections you absolutely cannot take because of a RL scheduling conflict.
Whether or not you’d like to be a pinch-hitter, if someone cannot get their post done on time.

The deadline to sign-up is this Sunday, February 12th. Official assignments along with further instructions will be emailed to all volunteers the following Monday or Tuesday. This should give everyone plenty of time to prepare thier post.

Please, consider signing up if you have any time to spare during these weeks. PLEAAASSSEE!

Spread the word about the read-along!

[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
We have a shiny, new readaloud chapter--Chapter 12 of A Conspiracy of Kings read by [livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen !

Listen to the tale of Two Sounisians in the City Behaving Oddly while dear Sophos dresses in startling finery (to look less like riff raff) and the Magus lounges in his bath like a terrapin. There are sound effects! Listen to it here. (You must be a member of the community to access the chapters.)

Want to read a chapter? Leave a comment on the readaloud post and we'll add you to the list. Also, a reminder that we'll be removing names in another week or so, so if you signed up years ago and still want your chapter, speak now or forever hold it.
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Back in September, we re-read “The Thief” as a celebration of its twentieth anniversary and held weekly discussions in order to once again carefully dissect each and every sentence. You have no idea the details you can miss till you’ve gone over the text with a microscope!

Check those out if you missed them.

Since “Thick as Thieves” was announced, I've been plotting to continue the re-read with “The Queen of Attolia" and the other two books. I’m guessing, like me, many of you are due for a re-read, and it’s a lot more fun to re-read together.

Read more... )

[identity profile] an-english-girl.livejournal.com
Okay, owing to the fact that I haven't drawn for years, this is a bit last minute, but here I am!

Dear Megan,

I should NOT have an ARC.

1. I've only been waiting for less than two years :)

2. Owing to the joys of time zones, I will be getting my copy of Thick as Thieves at least five hours before the rest of the reprobates. Which will (Please note, reprobates!) be plenty of time for me to read it and get on here to gloat at the rest of them ;P

Therefore, I don't need the ARC. Please, pick someone else instead. But this doesn't mean I'm going to pass up on the fun of doing clunky art ;) So, as a sort of thank you...

1. Landscape.

My very favourite of all the stories of the Gods!

2. Other Art.

Thank you! I had great fun doing these!

[identity profile] mouseguru.livejournal.com
My daughter is re-reading ACoK, and ran across this hilarious image, which I don't remember noticing before. It's on p.155, when Eddis is about to tell Sophos the story of Polystrictes. Sophos turns back to look at the Magus, who is described as "far behind them, walking with one of Eddis's attendants on one arm and one of Attolia's on the other."

Glad to see the Magus is enjoying himself! And I have to wonder if the Attolian attendant is the romantic but foolish Chloe? (since we see in KoA that she is an attendant again). Anyway, the image of the Magus strolling along arm in arm with the ladies (of both courts, no less) has been making me laugh all day.
[identity profile] jessre.livejournal.com
After years of watching my eyes turn into hearts at the mention of The Queen's Thief series, my friends have decided to read the books for themselves. We've decided to do a readalong starting in March. One month per book.

Some of us (okay, I) have read the books forward and backwards; others are completely new to the world. I'd love for you to join us, and maybe if you've got a hold-out family member or friend this might convince them to meet Gen?

The formal announcement post is here: https://thebookwars.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/announcing-the-queens-thief-readalong/

Anyway, I hope to hear your voices in the discussions, and also hope to send a few people this way to join Sounis once they've fallen for Gen et al.
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com

Great question from an Anon someone, regarding the Queen's Thief book covers and how they differ from the actual description of the characters:

I just closed the last page of ACoK after (another) full retread of the series- so that's what I've been reading! And I've found myself here because I haven't been able to find a discussion on how the covers for the books have been whitewashed, and it's something that's been nagging at me! Is there links anyone could point me too, or fan art of Gen that is closer the MWT's description?

In all the books, Gen is described as having "dark skin."  How do you picture the characters in the books? Do you think the book covers do the characters justice? Were they made "whiter" in order to appeal to the broadest audience? What's your take on these links that talk about the lack of diverse characters in YA lit/fantasy/sci fi?

Post your comments here, and take a minute to read this great article by Deirdre Baker: Horn Book Article: Musings on Diverse Worlds

And this article on "whitewashed" covers of YA books

Also, from [livejournal.com profile] sounis :
Discussion of Eugenides as a Nonwhite Hero

Concept Art for ACoK
Artist Vince Natale's drawings for the book covers

On a lighter note, there was a great deal of discussion about the cover of ACoK, just before it was published. The ARC had a mustached Sophos on the cover, which was changed more than once. Check out these discussions as the changes to our buffed-up Sophos were made:
Facial Hair!Sophos
A Conspiracy of Artists
Life At Greenwillow

[identity profile] sclerotia.livejournal.com
How I got lured into clicking links to get to this information is something I wouldn't want to have to justify to my boss or coworkers, but it was really interesting and seemed apropos to this group.

Epidaurus Theater Acoustics (stolen from listverse dot com posted in 2009)
The Ancient Theater of Epidaurus near Athens Greece was constructed in the late 4th century BC and is one of the best preserved ancient theaters. Even in ancient times, the theater was considered to have great acoustics. The actors can be perfectly heard by all 15,000 spectators without amplification. To demonstrate the theaters great acoustics tour guides have their groups scattered in the stands and then show them how faint sounds can be heard at center-stage. How this sound quality was achieved has been the source of academic and amateur speculation for many years. One of the theories suggested that prevailing winds were carrying the sounds. It turns out that that answer is in the seats. In 2007 researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology have discovered that the limestone material of the seats provide a filtering effect suppressing low frequencies of voices, thus minimizing background crowd noise so the seats act as natural acoustic traps. It is still unknown whether the acoustic properties are the result of an accident or the product of advanced design.
Interesting Fact: The orchestra (or dancing floor) has the shape of a perfect circle, with a diameter just above 19,50 meters. A circular base still preserved at its exact center most probably held an Altar to Dionysos (The Greek god of wine).


Apr. 2nd, 2015 01:34 pm
[identity profile] stealingfiction.livejournal.com
So I remember a while back someone made a really nice, detailed post about the ages of the characters. It went along the lines of Eugenides was 16 when the events of The Thief occurred, which made Eddis Helen 21, and Attolia Irene would be a couple years older (probably). I assume that there's a gap between TT and TQOA of maybe a year or so, because Eugenides is a little more mature, even before he got his hand cut off.

ANYWAY, I was reading a passage from TQOA earlier, and it said:
"For two years he had been trying to build his defenses against her..."
Two years. Does that refer to the beginning of TQOA? After all that would make sense, considering how much they talked about the harvest in the differing seasons.

So that would mean that the events so far took place like so:
The Thief: a month or two (don't have my copy on hand, I lent it out. Yay!)
intermission of about a year
The Queen of Attolia: happened over two and a half years
The King of Attolia: took 3 or more months
Because of the part where Irene and Gen are talking about how he promised her the fall of Erondites in six months, but achieved it in 98 days.
As for TCOK, we know that the first half of Sophos's story happened during TKOA, and I think the latter half would probably happen directly after TKOA. Again, I lent my copy :(

But I honestly haven't done more than a little research, and this is really just to find out how you all feel about the timeline and such. Also, does anyone know where the names of Eddis, Attolia, and Sounis came from? All the names MWT uses are really interesting and I know there are often meanings to her selection (because she's awesome like that).
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

I had so much fun during the character chat, that I thought it was worth it to pay ten bucks in order to save the full transcript. I do think it's a pretty sneaky way for Chatzy to get money. Honestly, it is better than ads though. Can you imagine being forced to watch a commercial for toilet paper before you are allowed to enter the chat room? Bleh.

Anyway, Livejournal won't let me paste the chat directly into this post, saying that it is too large. So I made a google doc and changed the settings so that anyone can see it, google doc users or not. Let me know if you can't access the link. There is a fun surprise ending (some of you are already aware of it though.)



Mar. 24th, 2015 01:49 pm
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com
Excerpt from CoK:

Sounis turned to the magus. "Did you know?"

"That he was relentless?" The magus finished his question. "Yes. That he had this in mind, no. I did not realize that he disliked the ambassador so much."

"Melheret has a reputation as one of the best swordsmen in the Mede court," a soldier informed them, having overheard. "They say he trained the former ambassador, Nahuseresh."

"Ah," said the magus, understanding at once. "I see that he means to be prepared if he meets him again."

"Surely that's unlikely," said Sounis.

"I don't think unlikely means to him what it does to the rest of us," said the magus.

Sorry magus, I'm starting to agree with Sophos.

Let's do some math, folks!
The Thief 1996
Five years later: QoA 2001
Five years later: KoA 2006
Four years later: CoK 2010

As of yesterday, it has been five years since CoK was released. I think we're due.

Yet, no news. Interviews from MWT have dwindled. Sounis has grown quiet. The majority of posts by its members tend to be about other fandoms, or asking for reading suggestions.  Because we have NOTHING to read.

Will Eugenides ever get his revenge? #watchoutpointybeard #swordskillz

Will the Eddisians escape the sacred mountain in time? #ohnolava #zipcodechange

Will we ever find out why the woman in the kitchen still includes sand in certain recipes?  #what'swrongwiththegravy #i'mnothungry

Is the poor elephant doomed to wait ten years before he is stolen from a nameless intimidator? #impatientpachyderm #omghowcanistealthat

Will I ever break this cycle of despair when I read those fatal words, "'You gave me the gun.' They both laughed." and realize I just finished the book, with nothing new in sight? #whatnow

I know, I know. Stop whining and go to bed.

This has been a pity party by puppeteergirl. #icandoanythingiwant #smashinginkpots

Proceed with your attempted encouragements or your commiserations below.
[identity profile] heather mulhern
I just have to share this with someone who will appreciate it. I'm currently listening to Sailing to Sarantium by Guy Gavriel Kay and two of the characters remind me sooooo much of Gen and Attolia—the Emperor and Emperess. They have a way of being so far ahead of everyone else and seeming to share secrets that only they are previ to, also the way they make bets with eachother. I am so reminded of what we see Gen and Attolia's relationship in KoA through Costis's eyes and then in ACoK. I highly recomend Guy Gavriel Kay, he's a Canadian author who writes mostly historical fantasy.
[identity profile] heather mulhern
Hi, I guess I've mostly been lurking; I commented a couple times, but this is my first time posting.

I just finished rereading ACoK. There was a paragraph that near the end that caught my attention and really intrigued me, which I'd like to hear your thoughts on. It's at the end of chapter Twenty-Two on pg 310.

"Looking into his unsmiling face, Eddis knew it was as close as he would ever come to an accusation. He had been saved by the men Eugenides sent, though he did not yet know the ferocity with which the king of Attolia had stripped those men from other posts, the capital he had expended, the secrets that had been revealed in order to send help to Sounis. But Sophos had to know that she and Eugenides had let him ride away with an Attolian army at his back, believing that he needed it. With more faith in himself, and his father's army, he could have retaken his throne without Attolia's aid. He might not have followed that bloodier and more costly path, but Eddis and Attolis hadn't offered him the choice." (emphasis my own)

So my first thought was about the ferocity with which Gen got the men to send after Sophos, as I interpreted it, these are the men who reinforced them at Oneia. At first I assumed Gen's ferocity was only an indication of how much he cares for Sophos. We know he cares for him a lot (see pg 154 in ACoK where Eddis is thinking about the fact that Sophos holds Gen's heart and is the only one who could destroy him). But then I thought that it might be more than that.

Later on in the paragraph it says that Sophos could have retaken Sounis without Attolia's aid. Firstly I'm wondering could he? and how? Even with the ten-thousand Medes? Maybe if he'd been able to bring unite his barons and their forces before the Medes had a chance to land the rest of their army. Did Gen know about the ten-thousand Medes and send reinforcement because of that? Did he know before Sophos left Attolia for Sounis? Would earlier knowledge of the Mede numbers have led to different tactics that could have been ultimately less bloody?

There is strong support for the necessity of uniting the three countries for reasons that would probably be hard to persuade the general populaces about, maybe even various advisors. Such as Eddis' dreams of the mountain exploding. We also know that eventually the Mede will likely invade. Attolia's aid to Sophos in retaking his throne solidifies their treaty, this is likely why Gen and Eddis did not give Sophos another option, because they both need the three countries to be united. Maybe part of Gen's ferocity had to do with this and not just how he cares for Sophos.

The question I really want your thoughts on considering all of those musings (I'd like to hear your thoughts on those musings too). What secrets did Gen revel to send help to Sounis? Was it about the Mede troops? Some future threat from the Mede? Sources of Gen's information? Messages from the gods? Do you think we might find out in book 5? (I hope so). What secrets do you think were reveled?


Mar. 18th, 2014 03:41 pm
[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
On page 188 of A Conspiracy of Kings, when Gen is speaking about his attendants (to Sophos, in the wine shop), he mentions that he'd "had some hope for Philologos... but Sejanus won that hand neatly." The conversation then moves on to philosophical reminiscences of Ambiades, making the quip about our dear Philo look like nothing more than an off-hand remark. But this is Gen we're talking about (and MWT), and because all things Philologos amuse and therefore interest me, I wondered if one couldn't dig a little deeper. It struck me as something I hadn't picked up on or considered previously. To start with: What, exactly, did Gen mean by Sejanus winning that hand? Was Philo contested in KoA? Did Sejanus merely have the greater influence on the behavior of the younger man, or was there more at stake than just Philo's attitude toward/opinion of Gen? What did Gen see in Philo that initially gave him hope? Hope for what? (Also noted: In the character index at the end of ACoK, it says Philo is the youngest but highest in rank among Gen's attendants. I can't remember if I knew this during KoA? What does it all mean?)
[identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
Hello All!

Just to get some creativity/crack/conspiracies flowing around here, I thought why not have a confession night in Chatzy!? [The link can be found to Left, 'The Conspiracy Room'] That's right!
Where? The Conspiracy Room
When? Whenever it is "Night" in your specific location!
Why? Why NOT?!

Drop by in chatzy with your secret name and leave a secret QT confession. I don't want to limit you, so I'll let you guys take it from here [[this is a safe place to express all your QT related obsessions the good, the bad, the UgLy!]]....All reprobate-ish behavior is welcome, so Feel Free to Confess your Deepest, Darkest, Wildest QT secrets!


Ps. I have one last exam before summer, so I hope to come back and see that hilarity and chaos has ensued.

Be Blessed in your endeavors,

(The Self-Proclaimed-Sounis Matchmaker/SounisTwitter manager)

EDIT: You are are awesome, keep the secrets pouring in! Sylvester showed up after his long disappearance! Keep it going, who knows what sort of special guests might just show up these days! ;-)

-Your secret Keeper, El


Mar. 27th, 2013 07:24 pm
[identity profile] madclairvoyant.livejournal.com
Okay, I know I am terrorising this place, but I cannot help but wonder. In CoK, Sophos said that Pol did not teach him how to fight off a table. Does that mean that he cannot fight the table, like opponents, or does that mean that he has toppled over onto a table and is unable to respond because he is in such a position?
[identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
From Plutarch's Life of Aemilius Paulus, concerning the final failed attempt of Perseus, King of the Macedonians, to escape the Romans. He had arranged with a fisherman to meet him on the beach. Significant parts are in bold:
26.4 Now, Perseus suffered pitifully in letting himself down through a narrow window in the fortress, together with his wife and little children, who were unacquainted with wandering and hardships; but most pitiful of all was the groan he gave when some one told him, as he wandered along the shore, that he had seen Oroandes already out at sea and under full sail. 5 For day was beginning to dawn, and so, bereft of every hope, he fled back to the fortress with his wife, before the Romans could prevent him, though they saw him. 6 His children were seized and delivered to the Romans by Ion, who of old had been a favourite of Perseus, but now became his betrayer, and furnished the most compelling reason for his coming, as a wild beast will do when its young have been captured, and surrendering himself to those who had them in their power.

The relationships (siblings rather than children) are different, but the details of the escape through the window strike me as similar to Sophos' evacuation of the women's quarters of the villa. And then there's Ion.

It looks like a nice instance of repurposing elements in a completely different way.

(Quellungforschung is the technical term for the investigation of a work's sources and use of its sources.)


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