[identity profile] ibmiller.livejournal.com
Section notes - from "The long summer's day was ending" to "He is an Annux, a king of kings."

In today's post, I'm going to pose two questions about all the chapters, and then a unique question for each chapter. I will then answer each of the questions with my own answers, and hope they're interesting enough to provoke discussion!

Questions for all four chapters:

1) What is accomplished in this chapter? (Could also be phrased, "Why does this chapter exist?")

2) If the chapters had titles, what would you call this chapter?

Individual chapter questions:

11: Is Barond Erondites an effective villain?

12: How has Irene changed since The Queen of Attolia?

13: Is the duel effective as a narrative/scene?

14: Is the reaction of the guard to Gen plausible?

My answers behind the cut! )
[identity profile] agh-4.livejournal.com
Welcome to April, the month before the month of Thick as Thieves! This week, we’re reading from “The stool hit the wall with a satisfying crash” to “Costis returned to his room, freed himself of belt and breastplate, and fell, otherwise fully dressed, onto his bed.” As always, these discussions are spoiler free for “The Wine Shop,”The Knife Dance,” and the Thick as Thieves arc, but we WILL probably discuss content from all four published books. Page numbers are from the 2006 paperback.

The discussion for the first five chapters is here. Next week, led by [livejournal.com profile] ibmiller , we will finish the book!

What could possibly happen in a five-chapter chunk that begins and ends in Costis’s room? EVERYTHING.

Summaries and assorted questions )

I'd like to take a moment in this post to acknowledge and remember [livejournal.com profile] philia_fan, whose username came from Chapter Eight. Philia meant a lot to many of us here, and it was very sad to lose her when she passed away five years ago. Her insight shaped my readings of these books as much as her thoughtfulness shaped my experience of this community. So, so, so, shoutout to Philia. <3
[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
This week we’re reading from the beginning of the Prologue, "The queen waited..." through the end of Chapter 5, "...knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to assume him of."

Prologue + Chapters 1-5 of The King of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

The prologue gives us four little snippets, each is Turner giving the reader hints about the main players in this book.

In the first Attolia waits for Attolis on their wedding night. We get a glimpse at the difficulty of their union, but also this: "Today she had yielded the sovereignty of her country to Eugenidies, who had given up everything he had ever hoped for, to be her king." And with that one line she reminds us that Eugenides never wanted to be king, as demonstrated in the final scene of Chapter 19 of QoA.

The second shows us Ornon's schadenfreude at the new king's "fetters". He seems almost sinister. In case you'd forgotten, Ornon almost succeeded in making Eugenides "safely dead" in Chapter 2 of QoA.

The third introduces us to Costis, a responsible guard whom the captain, Teleus, respects. They both believe the king to be "Attolia's most dangerous enemy." We find out later (Chapter 14) that Eugenides intended to "change the mind of the man next to {Teleus}." This is the first peek at their minds.

And the final tells us that Relius fears the king and wants to limit his powers. Which is ironic since the king doesn't want to rule and the king is the one who saves him from the queen's punishment.

Chapter 1 - Wait until your father gets home!
While Eugenedes and Costis wait for the Queen to come home from hunting to issue a punishment, we learn that Costis's best friend is Aristogiton called Aris and that Costic came from a land-owning (petronoi) farm family, but that Aris's family are landless okloi. We are introduced to Laecdomon (whom the king could do without) and Legarus the Awesomely Beautiful guard and Sejanus. We learn that the king is most unkingly in dress and manner and that he has not lost his ability to enrage people.

    "He said the only thing worse than being wrong in a family argument was being right."

    "You don't walk like a king, you don't stand like a king, you sit on the throne like...like a printer's apprentice in a wineshop."

Chapter 2 - Now you've done it!
The queen comes home, and the king neatly chains Costis to Teleus. Costis is volun-told to be the king's sparring partner, and Teleus agrees to start doing his job. When the king lets Costis see a glimpse of his real self, Costis thinks he's still dissembling.

    "Unkingly, in so many ways, My King. Not the least of which is listening to your guard tell you so."

    "A snake," repeated the queen.
    "A black one. A friendly one."

    "I didn't know, Your Majesty." It wasn't an excuse. It was an admission of failure.

    "Were you lying?"
    "I never lie," he said piously. "About what?"

Chapter 3 - Making your life miserable.
Teleus makes it clear that he expects better things from his men, even if he doesn't actually respect the king, and Costis skips his first sparring match (but not the second) and gets his first taste his new responsibilities. Aristogiton is pretty sure he delivered the note to release the hounds, the king continues to sneak about in his own palace (which no one realizes, even when they see him!), and Costis has not lost the respect of his fellow guards, which baffles him, and the king promotes him to lieutenant.

    "So, so, so," said Aris, "at least my honor will be intact."

    "Shall we begin with the first exercise?"

    "Your guard is low," Eugenides said calmly...

    "When breakfast was over, the king stepped around the table and bet to kiss his wife's cheek."

    "I was listening," the king said, aggrieved. "I closed my eyes to listen better."
    "What did you hear?"
    "I'm not sure," he said. "That's why I was listening so closely..."

    "Out on the steps, Costis stopped to look at the schedule. He stared at the sheet in consternation. The king hadn't needed to hang him; he would be dead of exhaustion within the month."

Chapter 4 - Keeping your life miserable.
Sejanus leads the pack in bullying the king, and the king picks on Costis in turn. Costis receives mysterious study guides. The king gets a lesson in wheat, makes a joke, and sits alone in his room.

    "Sejanus liked his jokes. Costis was growing tired of them."

    "Thank gods I didn't ask about fertilizer," he said.

Chapter 5 - Secrets.
This chapter is very long! Relius witnesses the king's reluctance to rule but misinterprets it. The king visits Artadorus in the middle of the night, and he, too, misinterprets it. Sejanus continues his quest to irritate the king, and the king does the same to Costis. Dite writes a song about the King's Wedding Night, the king loses his temper over it, and Costis earns a day off to recover.  Ornon is no longer pleased that the king is not. The undersecretary for provisions to the navy nearly takes a very short trip to meet Eugenides's cousins, the queen offers the king some wine, and the king requests a dance instead. Eugenides tells Dite that the queen cried on her wedding night, which makes Dite his friend. Costis tells the king he would never reveal confidential information, then does so with both the queen and Baron Susa, and the valet tells him what he overheard Sejanus and Baron Erondites discussing in the baths. The assistant to the Ambassador from Eddis maneuvers Eugenides into building a bridge. Relius is arrested.

    "Don't give up hope just because chances are slim."
    "For the assassination or the heir, Your Majesty?" asked Costis.

    "He wondered how the Attolians thought Eugenides had managed to become king if he was the idiot they assumed him to be. Perhaps because they had never seen him as the Thief, with his head thrown back and a glint in his eye that mad the hair on the back of a man's neck rise up... As a ten-year-old boy, the Thief of Eddis could stop a grown man in his tracks with a single look."

    "Don't be afraid. Before I stole Hamiathes's Gift out from under your nose, these were the only dances I knew."
    "I am not afraid," she said coldly."
    "Good," said the king. "Neither am I."

    "Spare me," said Attolia, "and my court, from dancing on the roof."
    "It probably only works in Eddis."

    "I would never stoop to revealing information I knew was private."
    "Not even if you don't like the person whose privacy you are protecting?"
    "Especially not then."

    "Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of."

Closing thoughts:
If this book is Costis's Hero's Journey, Chapter 5 brings us to #6 TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. Everyone is being positioned for the main action. Relius's arrest is less important than his absolution later on. Costis is still only beginning to empathize with Eugenides, who is actively avoiding being the king. He would still much rather be the queen's husband and Thief.

Next week we will continue with KoA chapters 6-10 lead by [livejournal.com profile] agh_4!
[identity profile] an-english-girl.livejournal.com
Well, using my very limited supply of readily available Lego

here is my entry :)

King of Legottolia
KoA, Prologue. "On the palace wall, a young guard on duty looked out over the town..."

Costis standing to attention at those crenellations he gets to think about a lot more later in the book ;)


Yes, I know. You've never seen anything less like an Attolian guard? This may be true, but this is a bona fide Legoland Guardsman in full uniform, purchased from the original Legoland in Billund, Denmark. He cost about 50 kroner, and used to be a keyring (that's what the knob on the top of his head is!)
So, so. I did my best. Of course, if Megan had really meant it when she said "elephant"...

[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

I had so much fun during the character chat, that I thought it was worth it to pay ten bucks in order to save the full transcript. I do think it's a pretty sneaky way for Chatzy to get money. Honestly, it is better than ads though. Can you imagine being forced to watch a commercial for toilet paper before you are allowed to enter the chat room? Bleh.

Anyway, Livejournal won't let me paste the chat directly into this post, saying that it is too large. So I made a google doc and changed the settings so that anyone can see it, google doc users or not. Let me know if you can't access the link. There is a fun surprise ending (some of you are already aware of it though.)


[identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
At the beginning of Costis' first interview with Eugenides, he is reminded by the king's neat flip of cups into the air that not only did he attack the king whom he swore to defend, but he punched a man who was not capable of punching back:
Read more... )


May. 20th, 2014 09:01 pm
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Megan posted this on her Tumblr, and it was sqee-worthy enough to link to.  Hand written notes!  For King of Attolia! Costis and Gen on the castle roof!

Maybe there is still hope for the wedding night scene those "deleted scenes" we've been crying for all these years. :)
[identity profile] sunshinebutter.livejournal.com
Hi Guys,

This is something that has probably come up before. As we all do, re-reading and re-re-reading the Queens Thief, I've been trying to think of what an accent sounds like when described as 'rough'. In the King of Attolia, Costis realises that the Kings accent was not what he assumed was roughness from sleep but instead his Eddisian Accent.

"Looking more like himself, he said, “You are treasure beyond any price.”He sounded more like himself, too, and Costis realized that what he had taken for the roughness of sleep was the king’s accent. While half asleep, he had spoken with an Eddisian accent, which was only to be expected, but Costis had never heard it before, nor had anyone he knew. Awake, the king sounded like an Attolian. It made Costis wonder what else the king could hide so well that no one even thought to look for it."

In my head, because its familiar to me, I tried thinking of the Eddisian accent as close to the roughness of some Scottish accents and everything else to be UK English.

What do everyone else think that it sounds like? I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks! 
[identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
Hello All!

Just to get some creativity/crack/conspiracies flowing around here, I thought why not have a confession night in Chatzy!? [The link can be found to Left, 'The Conspiracy Room'] That's right!
Where? The Conspiracy Room
When? Whenever it is "Night" in your specific location!
Why? Why NOT?!

Drop by in chatzy with your secret name and leave a secret QT confession. I don't want to limit you, so I'll let you guys take it from here [[this is a safe place to express all your QT related obsessions the good, the bad, the UgLy!]]....All reprobate-ish behavior is welcome, so Feel Free to Confess your Deepest, Darkest, Wildest QT secrets!


Ps. I have one last exam before summer, so I hope to come back and see that hilarity and chaos has ensued.

Be Blessed in your endeavors,

(The Self-Proclaimed-Sounis Matchmaker/SounisTwitter manager)

EDIT: You are are awesome, keep the secrets pouring in! Sylvester showed up after his long disappearance! Keep it going, who knows what sort of special guests might just show up these days! ;-)

-Your secret Keeper, El


Mar. 4th, 2013 11:55 pm
[identity profile] star-aesh.livejournal.com
Hey fellow Sounisians :D

I'm a long-time lurker, rare poster and I felt inspired to share my first encounter with the Queen's Thief series.

Audiobooks are one of my absolutely favourite things. I found King of Attolia on audio at the library and started listening to it that night. Jeff Woodman is such a fabulous narrator. I didn't realize that I had picked up the 3rd book in a series until I was halfway through and I was enjoying KoA too much to stop. I found Queen of Attolia on audio as well and listened to that next. Then I read The Thief and waited for Conspiracy of Kings to come out. I've reread and relistened to the whole series many times since then (in the traditional order!).

Costis and I were on the same page from the first, since we both had no idea what Gen was capable of. Hilariously, I didn't make the connection between 'Gen the thief in prison' and 'Eugenides king of Attolia' when I read The Thief the first time so I was surprised and delighted at the reveal of the Thief of Eddis (and then I felt silly).

When I recommend the series to people, I sometimes wonder if I should recommend that they read it the way I did. Gen's conversion to left-handedness was much less traumatic for me than it seemed to be for traditional readers because Costis presents it as a fact in the first chapter of KoA (though I puzzled all through QoA about how on earth Irene and Gen would end up happily married). What do you think? I do respect original order but I feel kind of like this is a special case. Did Costis seem completely clueless to you when you read KoA (if you read the books in publishing order)?

Anyway, thanks for reading my rambly musings!
[identity profile] 1221bookworm.livejournal.com

As we prepare for Hurricane Sandy's impact, we hope that allowing her to blow out her frustrations on the Eastern seaboard will allow her to calm down, and perhaps begin to see Eugenides in a new, better light. (Or at least give him a few sand free days as she is busy elsewhere!!:)

More Hurricane names ... )

[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
When I realized how many Sounisians were having technical difficulties, I grabbed a pen and paper and set to work making (imperfect) notes. Here they are!

Read more )


Apr. 23rd, 2012 04:59 am
[identity profile] thief-alchemist.livejournal.com

and tentative competition?

I'm not sure if just any one is allowed to organise a competition, but if this is allowed I will do it. 

Down the rabbit hole... )

[identity profile] shadowgirlvg.livejournal.com
Hi folks! So this is my several months late contribution to sharing what I gave my secret Santa buddy. I wrote a fic that turned out to be pretty long so I'll post one chapter at a time for the next few days. I hope you guys like it. I had a lot of fun writing it!

Irene for a Day: Chapter One )

Edit: Hey, just so everyone knows, I'm posting the rest of this story in the queen's thief fanfiction community that we have. I hope you all enjoy the rest of the story!
[identity profile] rushstarfire.livejournal.com
Hello I'm new to the livejournal. The Queens Thief series are my favorite fiction books hands down. My obsession has lasted almost ten years to date. I kind of hero-worship Megan Whalen Turner for her literary craft. Listed in order from my favorite to least of the series is: KoA, TT, QoA, CoK.

Over at the deviantart fangroup: http://queens-thief.deviantart.com/ we had a challenge to draw out a scene from one of the books. I choose to do mine from KoA and I figured I'd share it here. Its not perfect but there you go.
The comic strips )
[identity profile] creative-lefty2.livejournal.com
Last night I was reading (a small portion) of chapter five of KoA. Specifically, the part where Costis tells Aris and Gen that he would never sell gossip and promptly has his values challenged.

Costis is called into Attolia's chambers to discuss Gen's window-gazing habits. Previously, I thought she was genuinely interested. But really, what could really worry her about Gen sitting by himself looking out a window? I think she already knows that he's homesick. Also, she previously showed a degree of dislike for Costis (due to not getting to punish him). Why would she want to talk to him (other than the fact that it is probably well known that he is the only one allowed in the King's rooms when he is moping)?

So, last night it occurred to me that Gen might have set up the meeting between Costis and Attolia. Gen knows that Costis says he will not be a gossip mongerer. But this is his way of checking to see how good Costis' word is under pressure. Faced with the feared Queen of Attolia, what will the (usually) meek like guardsman do? Will he cave to pressure and start divulging secrets; or will he keep a cool head? Ultimately, this could be a test to see if Costis could do...whatever it is Gen has him doing after the end of the book.
[identity profile] ladytinidril.livejournal.com

So, we all know that Eugenides has plans for Costis, and we all know that (or think we know) that those plans probably involve spying on the Medes. We also know that the next book MWT is writing is, in some way or other, the second half of KoA.

However, is there room to deduce even more? I recently finished my third reading of KoA, and these parts especially caught my attention:

1) "'I hope you know that I could once jump from the palace to those roofs over there.' He eyed the empty space below him and said sadly, 'If I tried now, I'd probably eviscerate myself when I landed. But it does give me an idea for what to do with you' " (343).

I'd never really considered the context before, but...why does roof-jumping and Gen's new limitations remind him of what to do with Costis? Unless he's thinking of passing the roof-jumping torch to Costis?

2) This is also just after he's explained to Costis that his god pays particular attention to his actions: "Costis, my god is not a ten-devotee-to-the-average-dozen, got-a-priest-on-every-corner kind of a god" (339). Eugenides, the god of thieves, pays almost exclusive attention to...well, thieves. Why is this important? Well, that brings me to the most obvious point of all.

3) The fact that, after beating him soundly in the duel, Eugenides asks if Costis will serve his god. I've always been touched by this part, but never really stopped to think carefully about the implications; I just sort of took it as Gen asking for Costis' complete loyalty. But given the above, I think it's more than that. Why else would Costis serve Eugenides' god unless he, too, was going to become a "thief" of sorts?

I'm not suggesting that Costis could seriously take Gen's place as a thief, or even that Costis would be particularly good at it. Soldierly brawn doesn't really lend itself to thief-like characteristics, but then again, spying of any sort doesn't seem to fit Costis' skill set either (I love him but he's not very subtle).

But at the least, it might suggest that Gen has a pretty specific skill set in mind for Costis, which will require the god's protection, and that he might be sort of passing the Torch of Thieves on to Costis. So, it could be more a point about symbolism than anything else, I guess.

What do you guys think?

[identity profile] rose-amidlilies.livejournal.com
 Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Gen/ Hamlet and Costis/ Horatio? I've studied Hamlet three times, high school, and two university classes, but I just noticed the similarity when I read Hamlet and Ophelia by John Marsdon. He does an extremely good job at modernizing the play, I recognized most of the major speeches. And kept seeing Hamlet as Gen and Horatio as Costis. Especially in the scene with Hamlet messing with the messenger with Horatio looking on.  Any thoughts? What would Gen do in  a similar situation? I just found that the whole pretending to be mad to get info seemed so Gen, but would he act sooner or get swept up in the thought of the situation? 
[identity profile] 4minutesoryears.livejournal.com

I've only been a fan for a week, but I am in love with these books. I wanted to share a theory I had about Costis. We don't see him in CoK, but he was such a huge character in KoA that we can expect to see him again. I realized that I am glad that Costis is not in this book, because Attolis had plans for him.  At the end of KoA, Gen says that he has plans for Costis and that Costis needed help with his Mede. We all know that MWT drops subtle hints in her books, this may be one of them. Eugenides plans for Costis are to send him to the Mede.  
[identity profile] sgwordy.livejournal.com
Fun with conjecture...

"So you risk him to save the life of a treacherous, worthless guard?"
"You called Costis your loyal servant earlier."
"He was a loyal servant earlier. He is no longer. You will not rehabilitate him with me."

(KoA hardback, p. 24)

What do y'all think? Did Gen change the queen's mind?

(Also, I was checking tags for this discussion and that lovely drawing of Costis wasn't under the "costis" tag; anyone know where it is?)


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