[identity profile] ibmiller.livejournal.com
Section notes - from "The long summer's day was ending" to "He is an Annux, a king of kings."

In today's post, I'm going to pose two questions about all the chapters, and then a unique question for each chapter. I will then answer each of the questions with my own answers, and hope they're interesting enough to provoke discussion!

Questions for all four chapters:

1) What is accomplished in this chapter? (Could also be phrased, "Why does this chapter exist?")

2) If the chapters had titles, what would you call this chapter?

Individual chapter questions:

11: Is Barond Erondites an effective villain?

12: How has Irene changed since The Queen of Attolia?

13: Is the duel effective as a narrative/scene?

14: Is the reaction of the guard to Gen plausible?

My answers behind the cut! )
[identity profile] agh-4.livejournal.com
Welcome to April, the month before the month of Thick as Thieves! This week, we’re reading from “The stool hit the wall with a satisfying crash” to “Costis returned to his room, freed himself of belt and breastplate, and fell, otherwise fully dressed, onto his bed.” As always, these discussions are spoiler free for “The Wine Shop,”The Knife Dance,” and the Thick as Thieves arc, but we WILL probably discuss content from all four published books. Page numbers are from the 2006 paperback.

The discussion for the first five chapters is here. Next week, led by [livejournal.com profile] ibmiller , we will finish the book!

What could possibly happen in a five-chapter chunk that begins and ends in Costis’s room? EVERYTHING.

Summaries and assorted questions )

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I'd like to take a moment in this post to acknowledge and remember [livejournal.com profile] philia_fan, whose username came from Chapter Eight. Philia meant a lot to many of us here, and it was very sad to lose her when she passed away five years ago. Her insight shaped my readings of these books as much as her thoughtfulness shaped my experience of this community. So, so, so, shoutout to Philia. <3
[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
This week we’re reading from the beginning of the Prologue, "The queen waited..." through the end of Chapter 5, "...knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to assume him of."

Prologue + Chapters 1-5 of The King of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Prologue
The prologue gives us four little snippets, each is Turner giving the reader hints about the main players in this book.

In the first Attolia waits for Attolis on their wedding night. We get a glimpse at the difficulty of their union, but also this: "Today she had yielded the sovereignty of her country to Eugenidies, who had given up everything he had ever hoped for, to be her king." And with that one line she reminds us that Eugenides never wanted to be king, as demonstrated in the final scene of Chapter 19 of QoA.

The second shows us Ornon's schadenfreude at the new king's "fetters". He seems almost sinister. In case you'd forgotten, Ornon almost succeeded in making Eugenides "safely dead" in Chapter 2 of QoA.

The third introduces us to Costis, a responsible guard whom the captain, Teleus, respects. They both believe the king to be "Attolia's most dangerous enemy." We find out later (Chapter 14) that Eugenides intended to "change the mind of the man next to {Teleus}." This is the first peek at their minds.

And the final tells us that Relius fears the king and wants to limit his powers. Which is ironic since the king doesn't want to rule and the king is the one who saves him from the queen's punishment.

Chapter 1 - Wait until your father gets home!
While Eugenedes and Costis wait for the Queen to come home from hunting to issue a punishment, we learn that Costis's best friend is Aristogiton called Aris and that Costic came from a land-owning (petronoi) farm family, but that Aris's family are landless okloi. We are introduced to Laecdomon (whom the king could do without) and Legarus the Awesomely Beautiful guard and Sejanus. We learn that the king is most unkingly in dress and manner and that he has not lost his ability to enrage people.

    "He said the only thing worse than being wrong in a family argument was being right."

    "You don't walk like a king, you don't stand like a king, you sit on the throne like...like a printer's apprentice in a wineshop."


Chapter 2 - Now you've done it!
The queen comes home, and the king neatly chains Costis to Teleus. Costis is volun-told to be the king's sparring partner, and Teleus agrees to start doing his job. When the king lets Costis see a glimpse of his real self, Costis thinks he's still dissembling.

    "Unkingly, in so many ways, My King. Not the least of which is listening to your guard tell you so."

    "A snake," repeated the queen.
    "A black one. A friendly one."

    "I didn't know, Your Majesty." It wasn't an excuse. It was an admission of failure.

    "Were you lying?"
    "I never lie," he said piously. "About what?"


Chapter 3 - Making your life miserable.
Teleus makes it clear that he expects better things from his men, even if he doesn't actually respect the king, and Costis skips his first sparring match (but not the second) and gets his first taste his new responsibilities. Aristogiton is pretty sure he delivered the note to release the hounds, the king continues to sneak about in his own palace (which no one realizes, even when they see him!), and Costis has not lost the respect of his fellow guards, which baffles him, and the king promotes him to lieutenant.

    "So, so, so," said Aris, "at least my honor will be intact."

    "Shall we begin with the first exercise?"

    "Your guard is low," Eugenides said calmly...

    "When breakfast was over, the king stepped around the table and bet to kiss his wife's cheek."

    "I was listening," the king said, aggrieved. "I closed my eyes to listen better."
    "What did you hear?"
    "I'm not sure," he said. "That's why I was listening so closely..."

    "Out on the steps, Costis stopped to look at the schedule. He stared at the sheet in consternation. The king hadn't needed to hang him; he would be dead of exhaustion within the month."


Chapter 4 - Keeping your life miserable.
Sejanus leads the pack in bullying the king, and the king picks on Costis in turn. Costis receives mysterious study guides. The king gets a lesson in wheat, makes a joke, and sits alone in his room.

    "Sejanus liked his jokes. Costis was growing tired of them."

    "Thank gods I didn't ask about fertilizer," he said.


Chapter 5 - Secrets.
This chapter is very long! Relius witnesses the king's reluctance to rule but misinterprets it. The king visits Artadorus in the middle of the night, and he, too, misinterprets it. Sejanus continues his quest to irritate the king, and the king does the same to Costis. Dite writes a song about the King's Wedding Night, the king loses his temper over it, and Costis earns a day off to recover.  Ornon is no longer pleased that the king is not. The undersecretary for provisions to the navy nearly takes a very short trip to meet Eugenides's cousins, the queen offers the king some wine, and the king requests a dance instead. Eugenides tells Dite that the queen cried on her wedding night, which makes Dite his friend. Costis tells the king he would never reveal confidential information, then does so with both the queen and Baron Susa, and the valet tells him what he overheard Sejanus and Baron Erondites discussing in the baths. The assistant to the Ambassador from Eddis maneuvers Eugenides into building a bridge. Relius is arrested.

    "Don't give up hope just because chances are slim."
    "For the assassination or the heir, Your Majesty?" asked Costis.

    "He wondered how the Attolians thought Eugenides had managed to become king if he was the idiot they assumed him to be. Perhaps because they had never seen him as the Thief, with his head thrown back and a glint in his eye that mad the hair on the back of a man's neck rise up... As a ten-year-old boy, the Thief of Eddis could stop a grown man in his tracks with a single look."

    "Don't be afraid. Before I stole Hamiathes's Gift out from under your nose, these were the only dances I knew."
    "I am not afraid," she said coldly."
    "Good," said the king. "Neither am I."

    "Spare me," said Attolia, "and my court, from dancing on the roof."
    "It probably only works in Eddis."

    "I would never stoop to revealing information I knew was private."
    "Not even if you don't like the person whose privacy you are protecting?"
    "Especially not then."

    "Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of."


Closing thoughts:
If this book is Costis's Hero's Journey, Chapter 5 brings us to #6 TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. Everyone is being positioned for the main action. Relius's arrest is less important than his absolution later on. Costis is still only beginning to empathize with Eugenides, who is actively avoiding being the king. He would still much rather be the queen's husband and Thief.


Next week we will continue with KoA chapters 6-10 lead by [livejournal.com profile] agh_4!
[identity profile] pendrecarc.livejournal.com
Many thanks to [livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen for organizing this!

This is the third discussion for Queen of Attolia. The first section is here, and the second is here.

These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the Thick as Thieves arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Next week is a break week with a chat on March 19th.

***

I'm going to structure this a little differently, with a very brief (and irreverent) summary under the cut and discussion topics in comments to this post. If you want to start new comment threads with completely different topics, please do!

Section three runs from Chapter 15, which begins "Attolia turned to look at him, where he kneeled watching her face," and Chapter 21, which ends, "And she believed him."

In which...Read more... )
[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
If you haven't already, check out last week's discussion of QoA Section One (chapters 1-8) lead by [livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen.

This week we’re reading from the beginning of Chapter 9, "The hunting retreat was a summer home..." through the end of Chapter 14, "...and ran back down the rampart stairs even faster than he had climbed them."

Chapters 9-14 of The Queen of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Read more... )


"My Queen?"
"Only for that."


Next week we will continue with QoA chapters 15-21 lead by [livejournal.com profile] pendrecarc!
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
This week we’re reading from, “He was asleep, but woke at the sound of the key turning in the lock.” To “‘He sighed inwardly.”

Chapters 1-8 of QoA.
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There may be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.
Long Post is Long )
[identity profile] pendrecarc.livejournal.com
And we've reached the end! Thank you so much to [livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen for coordinating.

This week's discussion covers chapters 10 through the end, from "When I woke, the sun was up and the day was already warm." to " 'Thank you, thief.' 'You're welcome, my queen.' "

That is, I believe, the first time we hear anyone addressed directly as "My queen." It certainly isn't the last. :)

There's so much to cover here! Gen stealing the Gift a second time; more interference from the gods; Ambiades' and Pol's deaths; an introduction to the queens of Attolia and Eddis; and of course the revelations of Ambiades' treachery and Eugenides' true identity and motives.

I'm going to try something a little different with this post. I'll start a few threads in the comments, each with its own topic, which will hopefully seed the discussion in different directions! Feel free to respond to each of those if the topic interests you, or reply to this post and start your own.
[identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
Hey everyone!!

Guess what today is? It's Miss Megan's birthday! Y'all know what that means - time to sign the birthday card (so sorry I didn't get this up a day early as I usually do, having major tech issues)

So without further ado, here's the card -

Happy Birthday! )

Edited to add:[livejournal.com profile] filkferengi let me know that the image isn't loading, so if you're having trouble, you can view the card on my Tumblr page (Megan has lots of fans on Tumblr in case anyone here is also a Tumblr user)
http://booksrgood4u.tumblr.com/post/133675958877/happy-birthday-to-ms-megan-whalen-turner-hop-on

May you be blessed in your endeavors and may Sophos (and Gen for that matter) leave your birthday cake happily alone!

~books
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

I had so much fun during the character chat, that I thought it was worth it to pay ten bucks in order to save the full transcript. I do think it's a pretty sneaky way for Chatzy to get money. Honestly, it is better than ads though. Can you imagine being forced to watch a commercial for toilet paper before you are allowed to enter the chat room? Bleh.

Anyway, Livejournal won't let me paste the chat directly into this post, saying that it is too large. So I made a google doc and changed the settings so that anyone can see it, google doc users or not. Let me know if you can't access the link. There is a fun surprise ending (some of you are already aware of it though.)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11FEcHJTQPypnEUKvbNHG6Qxb-8LOlszWkzTYTfjqK_4/edit?usp=sharing

[identity profile] maidenbeckah.livejournal.com
I spotted this at a store esterday, and just couldn't help thinking of Eugenides and Irene.

Attolis&Attolia

I'm starting to see those two everywhere.
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
In a moment of weakness *, I pulled out my copy of KoA and was reading the part where Costis and Teleus come storming into the garden as the assassins attack Eugenides.  I read through to the end of chapter 8, where Gen finally allows Petrus the Timid to get on with his stitches.  And something occured to me.

Ok, actually I was driving to work the next day when the (very small and probably energy-saving; you know, the kind that you can hardly even read by) light bulb came on over my head.

  • Gen is a master manipulator.  He's usually several steps ahead of everyone and, although he can be extremely impulsive, seldom does anything without a Really Good Reason.  Sometimes the reason is just to annoy, but often it's to keep himself out of trouble.

  • Just after he's injured, he says he's going back to the palace to make his "groveling apologies to the queen."  He must have promised her he'd be super-careful and, in his attempt to find some peace and quiet, he didn't have the gardens searched.  Anyway, he sounds as if he's worried that she's going to be angry.  Maybe even Attolia Angry.

  • We all know how Gen often reacts, physically, to Irene's presence.  She touches his cheek, he flinches. She cups his chin, he gulps. When Gen is back in the palace and Irene rushes in, he doesn't even look up. But he must have heard her coming. She touches him and he leaps back like a startled deer.

  • She feels guilty, per usual.

  • He kisses her and she doesn't seem angry, only concerned and upset.

Do you think, just maybe, he exaggerated his surprise at her touch, just to get a little sympathy and divert her anger?  Or is that beyond even the sneakiness of Gen?  After all, he did have a lot on his mind, poor guy.




*I've been trying really, really hard NOT to reread the books.  "Self," I've said to myself, "you have to stop reading them for awhile or you'll have them all memorized and they won't be fun and you'll wear them out and won't want to read them anymore.  So just stop."  But I don't always listen to myself.  Does this happen to you?  Have you ever worn out a book you loved? 
[identity profile] frosted-feather.livejournal.com
Ready for another archaic analogy? You know how Beowulf and other ancient stories will take random tangents to talk about other people that no one cares about? Well, I was reading Beowulf  and came across this little side story. When Beowulf returns home victorious, the queen of the Geats is introduced, and the poem pauses to contrast her favorably against another Ice Queen who was quite cruel. As a fan of the Attolia books, this story becomes a whole lot more interesting:Read more... )

           
[identity profile] furem.livejournal.com
So, I was rereading QoA becausethere isn't a new book, hint hint I like to torture myself, and I came across this passage, right at the beginning of chapter 15:
"The greatest change in him was not his height, nor the length of his hair, but the expression on his face. He looked at her as impassively as she knew she looked at him. She could feel the immobile mask of her own face. She thought that if she searched for the guardsman Teleus had sent to escort her, she would find him nearby, not unconscious, not bound and gagged, but dead."

And I realized that it never says if they do find that guard tied up or dead. I know Gen still doesn't like to kill people because in KoA he says:
"I thought being king meant I didn't have to kill people myself. I see now that this was another misconception."

What do you think? Was that an act or is the guard really dead? I kind of wonder if he wasn't giving Irene a taste of her own medicine considering how heartless she is to his pleas at the beginning of the book.
[identity profile] tatyb94.livejournal.com
Hey everyone,

It been a while since I've posted here, but as always I've still been around keeping up with everyone else's wonderful posts.

The last time I made a post here, you may remember (probably not), it was to put forward my fancasting ideas for Eugenides and Irene. Christian Alexander and Katie McGrath were my choices for that post. Katie hasn't changed, she will always be Irene to me, but recently I've found someone who I feel is a better casting for everyone's favourite thief.

I've been watching the new BBC series The Musketeers, and right away, Luke Pasqualino (playing D'artagnan) struck me as being uncannily Eugenides-like. He's got the ability to act sarcastically, and petulantly, and he's got sword and pistol skills to boot. He even looks more like Gen than Christian, as Gen is describes as having olive-toned skin, which Christian hasn't got.

I made a photoset over on tumblr putting Katie and Luke side by side as the King and Queen of Attolia. I'd put the pics up here, but alas, I still haven't figured out how to do it from my iPad. So I'll provide the link to the tumblr post for you, and you can take a look if you like.

http://mariuswakeup.tumblr.com/post/75928765550/the-king-and-queen-of-attolia

Let me know what you think (if you want to),

Tatyana
[identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
Hey, Sounis!

Just wishing you guys all a very Merry Christmas a few days early with a Christmas fanart:

picture004


Come on, what else would Gen be doing at Christmas beside stealing kisses under the mistletoe!

~books
[identity profile] mikkaybear.livejournal.com
I've been playing The Sims for over ten years now, and my obsessions tend to blend into each other, hence this post.

Gen and Irene came about in the midst of a Perfect Genetics Challenge--the rules of which, essentially, are that your "heir," the Sim you'll use to carry on the family name, must always have the same color hair and eyes as your "founder," the Sim you started with originally. Early on, I decided I wanted to name every child after a literary character. After rereading The Thief, I knew I had to use the name Gen. As luck would have it, the Sim I named Gen turned out to have the proper hair and eye color.

Which is to say, bright blue hair and turquoise eyes. XD

Read more... )
[identity profile] tiegirl.livejournal.com
http://youtu.be/DrGFYbwuMbk

i hope there's a way to test this...yep, I'm bringing this up again, because I loved this movie and COULD NOT stop thinking about the Attolian court while watching it.
Also, the words just scream GEN AND IRENE to me, and this particular video with its certain images just makes it more obvious to me.


*the actors scream HELEN AND SOPHOS to me, though. Before Vince Natale got rid of the annoying mustache, of course. 
[identity profile] pastapasta-love.livejournal.com
I just recently went on vacation to my sister's house at the Jersey shore and on the way there we drove past a pizza place called something like 'Attilio's pizza' but I read it as ' Attolia's pizza' They are very similar but also maybe I just had it on the brain because I was re-reading the thief.

Images

May. 30th, 2013 08:26 pm
[identity profile] madclairvoyant.livejournal.com
Sorry for the excessive amount of weird things I post, but I was reading through the books, again, and I thought that this was pretty interesting:

“No,” Eddis replied. She said thoughtfully, “She and I both thought his presence must inevitably weaken Attolia and if he didn’t become a strong king, the court would soon be unstable. He proved me wrong. Either because he can see what we can’t or just because he demands the world conform to his own desires. I am never sure which it is that he does. In this case, he managed to so terrify his barons that they have assumed a semblance of conformity without undermining Attolia’s power after all. No one will cross her.” )

P.S. Just a random thought; has anyone watched Elizabeth and Elizabeth: A golden age? I thought it was cool that the actress playing the titular character captured a sort of calculation, but also fear and naivety when acting as a princess, but a characteristic harshness and shrewdness in her expression after the queen's coronation. Wouldn't that be good for Irene?

Songs

Apr. 21st, 2013 08:21 pm
[identity profile] madclairvoyant.livejournal.com
Sorry, I could not resist; there are these 2 songs that remind me of QT characters so strongly.

Fernando by ABBA )

In the first verse there, (though there are other verses before and other), I thought that Irene might be nervous, even if she never admitted, during the inevitable war with Medes. I mean, would you not, especially with Gen's penchant of risking his life? They were so young, and can you imagine if any one of them died. And 'crossing the Rio Grande' seems like the boat scene in QoA, and the last line should apply, since one of his motives was trying to keep his country free. (Also, it also seemed like an encouragement they will grow 'old and grey' one day.)

Aubrey by Bread )

I thought that this two verses from this song reminded me very strongly of Gen and his mother. The first view refers to the fact that the two would dance on the roof, in the night, and that before he had enough time with her (it is never enough), she was gone already. And the second verse I thought was when he was older he would reflect on the fact that he never knew his mother well because ten is a fairly young age, so it is understandable that later in life, he might realise that there were things he never got to know about his mother. So he never truly knew her, as a person, but he loved her simply for the reason that she was his mother, and that was enough. Probably, he would too wonder if back then, what would have happened if he could have some how convinced the gods to allow her to live. Would that have been a regret of his, after he realised that he could talk to them?

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