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Diana Petefreund, a YA author, just today posted a blog entry called "Why Isn't Everyone Reading...?"  In it, she plugs a few lesser-known books or book series that she thinks deserve more attention.  My eyes nearly popped out when I read this little snippet in the second paragraph:

"Why isn’t everyone reading Megan Whalen Turner’s Attolia books? Everyone I know who has read them is Capital-O Obsessed. The recent announcement that she’d be writing a new book set in that world *did* set off a huge flurry of blog-located squeeing, but it was a drop in the bucket of the tidal wave of talk for, say, Catching Fire."

Just had to share this with fellow fans and hope it makes their day, too. :-D

Date: 6/25/09 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
Everyone who is Capital-O Obsessed...that includes us right? Of course it does, why did I have to ask?

*contemplates this new label* Ok, I am liking it...

But she's absolutely right, why doesn't everyone read these books? I mean, it deserves as much attention as Harry Potter or Twilight if not more so (forgive me HP and Twi. fans). It just makes one wonder...why is it not as popular as those books? Maybe with the new book coming up they'll make a box-set so everyone can buy their own copies and get all addicted like us.

But somehow part of me doesn't want this to turn into something like Twilight, because then no one will ever see who are the true fans (us) and who are those just going with the fad. And wouldn't that just be so sad, everyone will think we're just going along with the rest of the world.

Ok...ignore the rant. I just needed to get that out.

Date: 6/25/09 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com
frankly for starters, these books operate on a slightly higher level than HP (and a much, much, much higher level than Twilight--heck, I'm pretty sure we're talking planar differences). HP, while very detailed in terms of world-building and while containing awesome characters, has in the end a pretty straightforward plot. Yes, there are twists and surprises and things that make you throw the book across the room SIRIUS, but there's also a lot of references to the everyday world the Muggles inhabit, and a lot of time spent on character stuff that most people find very empathetic.

These books, on the other hand, operate with an attention to detail that's very complex, and they have many many layers that require lots of rereading if you want to grasp all of them, and a lot of people don't have the time/energy to invest in that, and a lot of people don't find that particularly entertaining, either--when they read, they prefer to be more casually entertained, and that's perfectly all right (though, in my mind, completely incomprehensible--but that's life). And while I love reading about Gen's struggles with depression after getting his hand cut off (which is empathetical, in terms of depression with "thing that changes the way your life was going and [at least temporarily] hampers your ability to do what you love"), it's harder for me to identify with the struggles of ruling a country/coming up with brilliant plans to take down barons/etc. etc. etc.

so basically, not everyone's reading Attolia because it's not everyone's cup of tea (too many spices, maybe? like a really well-made chai, with levels of flavor that sit on your tongue, while like Harry Potter could be, mm, lemonade tea, tasty and involving a few layers of flavor, and then Twilight would be a glass of milk filled with melted ice cold tea left out for hours before five pounds of sugar was mixed in a not-as-interesting tea that appealed to a broad if bland taste palate).

(clearly in any of these situations it's a fine line between "you just don't like my tea" to "you just don't like my tea and I pity you because MAN THIS TEA IS DARN TASTY" and yes we may have a bit of a superiority complex but...*sigh*. I do like chai.)

Date: 6/25/09 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
Hmmm speaking of all this tea, I am reminded of the roleplaying chat in which 'off to get more tea' was a code. Was it ever figured out whether the Oracle was MWT?

Anyway, about the books. I guess you're right about that, everybody has different preferences of tea...oh I mean books so I guess we have to respect that. It's just too bad that everyone is missing out on the book because they're satisfied with less layers of plot. But if they find joy in that then what can we do. I have been a fan of both HP and Twi. (at least for a month or so, hey I was naive and have not read the QT books yet). I guess, what those two were lacking I found in the QT series. Twi. was just a love story and HP seemed to be full of action so QT (to me) was just the perfect balance of the two (plus the historical references and the political intrigue) so I liked it right away. And of course the characters, they are another reason I like these books as much as I do.

So yeah, I guess I'm ranting again. Sorry.

Date: 6/25/09 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com
I think so? I was a little confused by the whole thing, frankly.

Hahaha, you're all right with the ranting. I was attempting to be Mature Seasoned Fangirl (i.e., anyone who knows me would read that comment and go "wow, Jade's really restraining her inner snob, I bet she would like nothing more than to say THAT'S BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE DUMB AND JUST DON'T GET IT"), but I totally understand.

That said, I do love this little fandom that we have here, because we pretty much attract the bestest of the best. And there's less crazy and less wank. So I will selfishly rejoice that only the bestest of the best seem to be reading these books, because I like my little Sounis.

Date: 6/25/09 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
Ah that I can agree with. It would be a bit...irritating (?) to have people here who are just so apathetic about the book, or are being pressured by their friends. And we all have great taste in books, plus we can get crazy over anything (I have often seen strange tags such as Gen's underwear). BTW are you still going to update dear Costis' profile? I look back at it a lot just to make sure I've read every single entry and comment. Why just a few hours ago I was looking over sylvester the cockroach's profile, I'm just glad he didn't kill himself with Raid.

Date: 6/25/09 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peggy-2.livejournal.com
nicely said, Ms. Jade

*also likes chai*

Date: 6/25/09 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keestone.livejournal.com
When I was growing up (I know, I'm still doing so), my dad used to go on about the Lowest Common Denominator in entertainment (nobody can lecture like my dad). To get a really large base of fans, you can't usually have anything too complex or over a 4th grade reading level. You can get some really well told, good stories that fit the parameters, but unfortunately it also means that anything requiring a bit of brain power is unlikely to be really successful.

Nah, Twilight is like Coke -- no relation to tea whatsoever, caffeine content is debatable, lots of people seem to like it for some reason I'll never understand, leaves an awful taste on my mouth at the first sip (and I'm avoiding ever having more than a sip), and it's really bad for you (dude, stalking is not sexy!).

(I also like chai, but I am currently hummingly happy over the really good puerh tea I had last week. OMG, it was like drinking an afternoon sitting on the cliffs watching the seagulls soar over the ocean!)

Date: 6/26/09 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoon-kora.livejournal.com
Hey I'm a Harry Potter fan, and I totally agree that these books deserve at least as much attention. And don't even get me started about Twilight. I enjoyed reading Twilight, but only as amusing fluff. The Queen's Thief series is sooo much better (than Twilight).

Date: 6/26/09 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
Oh we don't mean to say negative things about Harry Potter, I was actually a fan of it too though not as openly as I am with the QT series.

And hey is that Mr. Darcy *reads the text of the icon* Why yes, yes it is. *Hyperventilates after an episode of squealing* Have I meantioned how much I adore Mr. Darcy?

Date: 6/27/09 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymoon-kora.livejournal.com
No, I didn't mean that I thought you were being negative about Harry Potter, although I understand how that could be taken from my comment. I know it wasn't negative.

And oh my gosh, I love Darcy!

Date: 6/27/09 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
*shakes hand* I thought I was the only one ;). *Mr. Darcy love*

Date: 6/25/09 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gauroth.livejournal.com
You know, chaps, this reminds me of an episode when I was a librarian working in a rather posh part of North London (England.) A lady (with a terribly educated accent which reminded me of my rather posh Aunt Elizabeth) asked for books by Tanith Lee.

Tanith Lee (whose books are wonderful, and I highly recommend them) had recently become favoured by the literary cognoscenti as a writer of 'magic realism.' Of course she'd been writing f and sf for twenty years before she was discovered as a 'new' writer.

'oh,' I said (innocently - really, innocently, I was a young and naive librarian) 'You'll find Miss Lee's earlier work in the Scince Fiction section.'

Madame drew herself upright like a pouter pigeon. If she'd been wearing a fox-fur stole it would have bristled with indignation.

'Science... Fiction...?' she said, with the same scorn that Lady Bracknell said, 'A Haaand bag?'

She didn't deign to investigate the SF section; thus she denied herself the very books she had come to obtain. Pure prejudice against SF.

Dunno what my moral is. Maybe it's that punters only regard some book genres as proper. Maybe it's because some publishers don't advertise good books far enough for every potential reader to pick them up. Maybe it's because bookshops don't take up good books and promote them.

What can we do, apart from telling all our friends-and-relations that these are wonderful books?

Date: 6/25/09 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
*adores Tanith Lee*

SOMEBODY BESIDE ME HAS READ TANITH LEE!!!

I love the "Claudia Journals". I've read the whole quartet three times. Pure magic those books.

I know what you mean about genre prejudices. I, for one, judge books for what they are not by what genre they are in.

People who are too "educated" to read fantasy and sci-fi, really need to read this comm. Considering how educated, the members of Sounis obviously are.

Date: 6/25/09 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com
I wish I could find more of her works! The libraries near my house have always been rather spotty with them.

Date: 6/27/09 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgwordy.livejournal.com
Have you asked your library about inter-library loans? I do them all the time and in that way am always able to get what I want from the library. Sometimes I just have to wait a couple weeks.

Date: 6/25/09 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keestone.livejournal.com
How pathetic. Seriously. Salman Rushdie and Neil Gaiman are friends, and I'm pretty sure they know darn well that they're working with the same conventions and traditions.

Date: 6/25/09 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katewaits.livejournal.com
I've been plugging these books for years. I finally ordered all three from Amazon and had them delivered to my sister's door last fall. She still hasn't read them. I've been holding off on nagging her, but I mean to get on her case. She has a fifteen year old daughter who is probably the real reason I sent the books. *sighs* Nobody listens.

Have I mentioned (today) how wonderful it is to have found a community of people who actually get it? ;D

Date: 6/25/09 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiegirl.livejournal.com
Hear, hear, Sister!

Date: 6/25/09 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
*seconds this*

Date: 6/25/09 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
MY ROOMMATE IS CURRENTLY READING QoA. GEN JUST PROPOSED. AND THE KNIVES. AND.... AND APOPLEXY.

I WAS READING IT TO HER AND WENT TO HELP MY OTHER ROOMMATE AND SHE KEPT READING AND AND AND...


EEEEK.

We just gotta keep advertizing them, word of mouth and all that, doncha know.

Date: 6/27/09 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tearoha.livejournal.com
YAAAY!

Will we be seeing her, do you think? :D

Date: 6/25/09 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycenaeth.livejournal.com
I made the mistake of recommending The Thief to a teenager at my library only to have my spirit crushed when she asked when it came out and said "It looks old." and put it back. =/

Granted, it was the ugly Sounis-on-his-throne-with-his-ugly-haircut cover...

But telling her I read it when I was in 6th grade and have loved it since didn't make one ounce of difference. If anything, it made it worse since at 23 I am TOO OLD TO BE COOL.

Date: 6/25/09 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com
well at least I have never been cool so the fact that kids these days won't find me cool is, uh...*bursts into tears* I AM NOT OLD.

Date: 6/25/09 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycenaeth.livejournal.com
*Jade and Mycenaeth weep bitterly together*

Date: 7/4/09 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filkferengi
*hands around hankies that smell like orange trees with queens dancing under them*

Date: 6/25/09 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tearoha.livejournal.com
When I first got KoA, I carried it everywhere with me (like the good little fangirl I am) including at school. I was all prepared for usual 'TA's got a bee her bonnet again' eye-rolling, but I was NOT prepared to be practically jumped on by five different people who'd read our library's copies of TT and QoA.

Friend: 'What's that, TA?'
TA: 'The bestest book! You've never heard of the Atolia books, have you?'
Friend: 'THE ATTOLIA BOOKS? OMG YES! IS THAT A NEW ONE??'
TA: *inner desire to convert as many people as possible to Gen's brilliance wrestles with inner desire to sleep with KoA under my pillow for the rest of my life*
TA: 'Wanna borrow?'
Friend: *grabs book* 'Shiiiinyyy...'

It helps that all the bookish people my age grew up with the same very limited library, so we were pretty much forced to read the same books.
Most of those five people loved them, but one returned it me without finishing and said that after the assassin scene, it just got boring.*weeps*
She just didn't get it. My usual strategy these days is to wait till frends try to convert me to their favourite books, and then offer to do a swap.

Date: 6/25/09 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
After the assasin scene it just got BORING?!?!?!?

Can't. Wrap. Brain. Around.

Date: 6/25/09 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katewaits.livejournal.com
I know! That's when all the "ZOMG!" really started!

Date: 6/26/09 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tearoha.livejournal.com
I KNOW!!!!

Unfortunately, I think everyone else is right. These books require some actual reader participation to be fully enjoyed, and not everyone's prepared to do that.

Poor things. They don't know what they're missing.

Date: 6/26/09 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com
When I (finally) got my own copy of the books, I kept carrying them in my bag (no matter how heavy it got). Everytime my friend (who lent me the books) or Yuki (who read the books first) saw me with them, they would go into *face palm* mode. And once and a while someone would ask me why I kept bringing them around. I was never able to give them a good explanation.

Date: 6/25/09 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saved29.livejournal.com
People should be forced to read these books on pain of death. Lol. They really do deserve much more attention than they get.

Date: 6/25/09 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katewaits.livejournal.com
Maybe not pain of death, but I can't believe TT isn't required reading at some level of general education - aka - gen ed - aka - GEN ed. ;D
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