[identity profile] frosted-feather.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] queensthief

I'm a new member and this is my first post, but I've been following Sounis for more than a year now. I was just reading "Henry V" by Shakespeare and came across a lovely passage that perfectly mirrored Sopho's feelings about being a slave. King Henry is musing to himself on the heavy responsibility of being a king, and supposes that a slave's sleep is better than a king's:

..."Not all these, laid in bed majestical,

Can sleep so soundly as the wretched slave

Who, with a body filled and vacant mind,

Gets him to rest, crammed with distressful bread;

Never sees horrid night, the child of hell,

But like a lackey from the rise to set

Sweats in the eye of Phoebus, and all night

Sleeps in Elysium; next day after dawn

Doth rise and help Hyperion to his horse,

And follows so the every-running year

With profitable labor to his grave." [4.1, lines 25-275]

Now, I think King Henry and Sophos have a very idealistic view of slavery. But this is something like what Sophos did experience as a slave. I was able to understand this passage immediately, having read "A Conspiracy of Kings" and thought about why Sophos seemed so content to remain a slave. But also this passage of Shakespeare's helps me understand Sophos even more. So it goes both ways!

Date: 5/28/12 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
Hi, and Welcome to Sounis! It's great to see new people popping in!

That passage from Shakespeare seems like just the sort of thing Sophos would like to read - and probably heartily agreed with. Thanks for sharing =D
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Date: 5/29/12 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Good point about Sophos valuing his time more than a normal slave would. I agree...

I think Sophos valued his time as a slave mostly just because it was a change from the particular issues that had dogged him all his life. I can understand why he would feel that way. It reminds me (in a much much smaller way than Sophos) of my experience finishing university and going to work as a page in a library (i.e. shelving books). That's very physical, simple work without a lot of intellectual effort and you don't have to deal with much responsibility, but you feel useful and you get physically stronger and your mind gets a break, and that's somewhat rejuvenating after the stress and expectations of school. But it only felt that way to me because I had had the privilege of coming to that work from something else, so my existence hadn't been limited by it. I had had opportunities beyond it. I think it's the same with Sophos; he enjoyed his work as a slave because he was not really a slave, i.e. not stuck in it; slavery hadn't limited his experience of life, and on one level he had a choice to be there. And he never really gave up his identity, he always had Sophos as a secret identity inside even when Bunny was his day to day character, so I don't think he ever felt truly "owned". If he had been born to that life, I think he would have been very unsatisfied there, because he is a very bright person with a lot of curiosity and the life of a slave would not have given him what he craved. So I hope he doesn't apply his own positive feelings to all slaves. I don't think he does, though...I think he would be aware of his own subjective reasons for his experience.

Date: 5/29/12 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
Welcome! That does sound alot like Sophos... except its in iambic pentameter of course :D. Seems to be to be a "grass is always greener" sort of situation.... slaves want to be kings, kings want to be slaves. It often seems like anyone elses problems would be better than your own. An odd quirk of human nature, always wanting what you don't or can't have.

For example, I really wish I didn't want to do homework right now, but other people wish they were in school. But. I still have to do my homework. Eh.

Date: 5/29/12 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Welcome, Frosted_Feather. Thanks for the Shakespeare, I really enjoyed that. So beautiful...sigh. And it makes me think of Sophos right away.

I sort of said this above in reply to andiepiano, but I wonder if Sophos now idealizes slavery as a whole like Henry V seems to, or whether he sees his own experience as peculiar and probably different from the average slave's. I would somehow hope the latter... because while I think kings do have more problems than we tend to give them credit for when we picture their luxurious lives, I don't think it would be fair to say that they are born into equal problems and shouldn't envy each other. The difference between them is obviously that Kings can choose to abdicate, whereas Slaves can't. A king can become a slave if he wants to (it's unlikely, but possible. Sophos almost chose it). A slave can't decide to become a king.

...just musing. Welcome again. :)

Date: 5/29/12 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
It's very interesting that you point out the whole dynamics of choices! This post got me thinking about it. I think one of the things that made Sophos value his time as a slave was that he didn't need to make so many choices that he would be responsible for. On the other hand, being a king, any choice or decision he makes could weigh tons. I remember him thinking to himself when he was about to escape, why people always choose the option that would make them unhappy.

But I agree with what you said above; if Sophos had been born into slavery, he probably wouldn't be too fond of it either. I doubt he'd be able to read and write, which are a few of the things he loves to do.

Date: 5/29/12 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
HI frosted_feather! Welcome to our humble abode! ^__^ I hope you're having fun here!

Date: 5/29/12 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
And yet I don't think that Sophos had any trouble sleeping through the night when he was moping around in his father's villa --- it's interesting to think that it's the experience of being enslaved (since his life as a slave is perhaps in some troubling respects not very different from the life he led previously. But experiencing the passive existence in its most extreme form (slave) is what makes him realize what the active existence (again in its most extreme form (king)) really entails.

I also want to throw in another line on the same topic: Iliad 2.24-5
οὐ χρὴ παννύχιον εὕδειν βουληφόρον ἄνδρα
ᾧ λαοί τ᾽ ἐπιτετράφαται καὶ τόσσα μέμηλε

There must be no sleeping the whole night for a man who is a counselor, to whom hosts have been entrusted and who has such great cares.

Date: 5/29/12 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Great thoughts everyone! I agree that Sophos kept his inner mind active, even while he was toiling away in the fields, and he didn't believe that he was really anyone else's property. That's the gift that freedom gave him, which a born slave would not have. I really like Sophos a lot, now that I understand him better. When I first read ACOK I was confused about his choices, but upon further re-readings his attitude became clearer. He was someone who believed he always failed in what he was born to do (to become a king), so he was happy to have little asked of him as a slave. He needed to make the decision himself to save his father and jump back into the fray of kings and countries.

Date: 5/29/12 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oops,that was me again-- frosted_feather. Still getting a hang of this!

Date: 5/29/12 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oops, that was me--frosted_feather. Still getting a hang of this!
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