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And the results are in!! :-) 

 First off, a BIG thank you to everyone who participated!! :-)  And a second thank you for following the rules so closely, you made my life soo much easier, and I appreciate it!! :-)   

I hope everyone had fun!! :-)




So first, the boring stuff (Yes, now I am Really trying to torture you guys by making you wait for the announcement of the winner :-)

We had 214 recommendations from 43 Sounisians that resulted in 119 unique titles/series, encompassing over 300 individual books.  The top 5 with the most votes are as follows:

Queen’s Thief Series by Megan Whalen Turner topped the list with 29 votes!!

Howl’s Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones came in a distant second with 9 votes.

Chrestomanci Chronicles by Diana Wynne Jones rounded out the top three with 7 votes.

Crown Duel by Sherwood Smith finished with 6 votes, and

Code Name Verity by Elizabeth Wein closes our top five list with exactly 5 votes. 

            A top ten list would include many titles that received 3-4 votes (and would encompass more than 
                                   just 10 entries :-)

And now, since we’re having so much fun with lists, the top 5 authors are:

Megan Whalen Turner had a total of 29 author votes with just 1 title!!

Diana Wynne Jones had 19 votes in 5 titles/series, including one for her entire canon.

Elizabeth Wein had 9 votes with 2 titles/series.

Melina Marchetta had 7 votes with 4 titles/series. 

AND, there is a four way tie for the fifth place title, so they are, in no particular order:

            Sherwood Smith, with 6 votes from 1 title.

            Patricia Wrede with 6 votes in 3 titles/series

            Robin McKinley with 6 votes in 3 titles/series, AND

            Tamora Pierce with 6 votes, two of which recommend her entire works, and four other titles/series
                         specifically.  

A couple shockers that were lower than I expected:

Harry Potter received only 4 votes, though I noticed that he may have been higher if we had the option of a sixth choice. 

The Chronicles of Narnia received just one vote.

Twilight was not recommended at all (not that I have a problem with that …)

Llyod Alexander did not get more than 2 votes, despite his many novels.

The Hunger Games received just 2 votes, despite its new found fame.

If anyone would like to peruse the full list, they can find it posted on my journal


Thanks again to everyone who participated!! :-)
~Bookworm






Date: 7/5/12 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
Yay! Two of my favorites made the top five! But two of the top fivers I haven't even read....I must rectify this situation.

Thanks for doing this, Bookworm, I know you worked hard!

Date: 7/5/12 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Woooow!! Bookworm, awesome job. Love the stats.

This makes me want to pick up an Elizabeth Wein book now. She made both top author and top books.

Lol, I'm glad Twilight didn't even get a single vote. XD I'm surprised with Harry Potter too, though.

Date: 7/6/12 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Me neither, but now I shall educate myself!

Yeeaaahh... the only thing worse than the actual book is the fad it initiates. Now it's all about 50 Shades of Gray, or Grey, or whatever.

(still laughing at 50 Shades of Monpress though)

Date: 7/6/12 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
Our bookstore downsized ther YA section and they renamed it the 'teen' section. They might as well have named it the 'Twilight-ish Romance And Spinoffs Hub' T.R.A.S.H. for short. That's literally all they stock anymore.

Date: 7/6/12 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
UGH! That's pretty much what happened with the bookstores around here. It's the reason why I have to order books like QT and Farsala, because they just don't fit into what's "popular" these days. And this is why I also browse in the children's section of my library, rather than the Teens. At least in the kids I can find authors like MWT, Rosemary Sutcliff, Hilari Bell, and Frances Hardinge.

Date: 7/8/12 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
Yes! And have you noticed that a lot of books that used to be classed as YA or even adult have been moved into the children's section? To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic example, but there are a lot of others, most of which I can't remember. I think I've seen The Lord of the Rings in children's sections of libraries before, which makes no sense to me at all. And then there are series that move from one tone to another, like our own beloved Eugenides books - I don't have a strong quarrel with The Thief being in the kids' section, though I think of it as more of a YA book. But QoA definitely isn't a children's book, nor are the others.

Date: 7/8/12 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
I did notice. And I was scared when I saw TLotR in the children's section because it made me feel all kinds of inferiority, "Children read these? And I haven't gone through a single page of it?"

I'm not very much concerned if QT is shelved in the children's section. Even at my Uni, in the Children's Lit course, QoA is listed in the reading list. At least, we're expecting children to be able to handle the series, which is actually a good thing, because there's the hope that they will "get it". I understand that there are really *serious* issues in QoA, but I think MWT wrote it well enough that... at the very least, they won't wake up from screaming nightmares. ^^

....but I could be wrong too. I read QT when I was 18, after all, and half the stuff went over my head until I came to Sounis.

Date: 7/8/12 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
Well, I first read (and loved) The Lord of the Rings when I was nine, but I was never a normal child. And just because children can read it doesn't mean it's a children's book. Though in this particular case I believe LOTR was shelved in children's, young adult, and adult fantasy, all in the same library, in order to increase exposure. Which really is a good thing - not all people were going to do what I did and browse all three sections. (I could be misremembering that it was in children's in this particular library, but I know that it was in three separate sections.)

Not at all intending to feed the sense of inferiority. No need to feel inferior if you don't mesh well with someone's style, or if you haven't gotten to something yet.

Yeah, as for children reading QoA, I don't think it would damage them, exactly. If I had read it younger, much of it would have cut deep, but it already did that. I want to say it's more the case that below a certain age they wouldn't really get it - the longing, the depression, the really complex emotions. Then again, I got LOTR when I was nine, so I don't know. Maybe it would be totally fine for a sensitive, perceptive child. I never intended to grow up to be someone who didn't understand children's minds, but I'm afraid I've done it.

Put it this way. The right kind of child could read QoA, understand it, and feel the emotions. But it won't resonate as deep as it will later, when you've been in love, or had a severe injury, or that sort of thing. Though that's true of many things. A lot of literature is much richer to me now that I'm older (early twenties) because I've had experiences that intensify and add complexity to the emotional resonance. Not even because a certain book event will remind me of a particular life event, but because there's a different way of experiencing the world that comes with being older.

It's awesome that QoA is on a reading list at your university. :) I hope you don't mind how long and personal this reply got.

Date: 7/9/12 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
No worries. I love long and personal comments. ^__^

Ah, it wasn't you that invoked a sense of inferiority at all. It was the actuality of seeing them in the children's section of my library several years ago when I was already well into my teens. But I didn't read books much anyway when I was a teen, so it's not that big of a deal, really. =D

I remember when I read as a child, every book I read was just that: a book. If I'm not immersing myself in the world, I didn't think much about it. It's totally different now when I read; it's like these books assume a life of their own, so even though I've put them down, the characters stay in my head, and scenes play over and over again, and I can imagine what they feel more clearly. So I definitely understand what you mean that most children would probably not understand the gravity of what Gen goes through (or even Attolia, who is just as complex as Gen), and the emotions and events that come into play. I think what I was trying to say was that maybe that's okay; it's okay to not understand these books like an adult would. I think very cleverly written books should give us a better understanding of the characters and the world with each reread anyway. ^__^

Date: 7/7/12 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
That's my experience as well. Four to five years ago, I used to look primarily in the YA section, because I was likely to find books and authors I recognised and liked, as well as new ones of the same kind. There was lots of good fantasy and the like available, with attractive, illustrated covers. Now it's practically all paranormal romance and even the covers of the normal ( :P ) books are ugly, because they've made all these new editions with garish photographs of the heroines (or occasionally heroes). Have you seen the newer versions of a lot of Shannon Hale books? I'd much rather have a pretty painting that evokes the mood of the story, or one of the locations, than a glossy picture of a girl staring right at me.

But yeah. The young adult section has gone from the place I spend hours in to a place I'm rather embarrassing to be seen examining.

Date: 7/7/12 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
I know what you mean about the covers! I'm not very familiar with Shannon Hale's work, but the covers have seriously gone downhill - I saw a reprint of Pride and Predjudice with the cover made to look just like a Twilight novel....And then there is this fad of only showing part of a person or part of a face - And I'm not talking about the beautiful QT covers either - they're usually a dark, tone-on-tone color scheme, and some of them look like the person is not fully clothed. If you want an example, check out the new covers of Tamor Pierce's Immortals Quartet:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24094.Wolf_Speaker

Really? I should not be embarrassed to read a perfectly good book in public because of the cover. I know we shouldn't judge books by their covers and all that, but sometimes you just can't help it.

Date: 7/8/12 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
I actually haven't read any Shannon Hale either (though I own a couple that I will get to eventually). But hers are a good example. The first edition covers have some really interesting paintings, like this one for Enna Burning (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Enna_Burning.jpg), and then I actually found a picture of the newer edition in the author's own blog (http://oinks.squeetus.com/2008/07/horrible-i-hope.html), with some discussion of the rationale behind the change.

It's clear that they make the changes to appeal to a different audience, but using photographs really changes the tone of the story that the cover is telling. Rather than appearing to be a dynamic story, it sends the message that the book is an examination of a particular character's psyche, in a way that even a painting of a single character doesn't. And mostly I look at those kids and say, 'I'm not particularly intrigued by your face', which has nothing at all to do with the book. Because to me it's just a kid in a dress, like many other kids who could be stuck in dresses and photographed.

I've seen that Pride and Prejudice cover; it's appalling. I think there was a Wuthering Heights one, too (for which the style was more appropriate :P), and maybe something else like Jane Eyre. It's great that they're trying to get Twilight readers into more well-respected romantic stories, but I could do without the sign that proclaims, 'If you liked Twilight, you'll love Pride and Prejudice'. Because anyway, why would you? My bet is you actually really wouldn't. It's completely possible that a person could enjoy both, and I know several who have. But if Twilight is the thing that got you into reading, and now you want more of the same, P&P will not deliver that.

That is a pretty bad cover for Wolf Speaker. I'm pretty sure Daine is never naked in that book - isn't she something like fifteen?
Edited Date: 7/8/12 03:56 am (UTC)

Date: 7/8/12 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Ughhh! I LOVE the Bayern Books by Shannon Hale, and it really irritated me when they changed the covers. The painting ones were absolutely beautiful, and I cannot understand why they would put models instead. Shannon said that they were there to help new readers envision the characters, but personally, I just prefer to imagine my own.

And mostly I look at those kids and say, 'I'm not particularly intrigued by your face', which has nothing at all to do with the book.

Exactly. And it's even worse when they actually get the props wrong. There was a scene in Goose Girl where the girls talk about how low the neckline should be, and that thing Enna is wearing on the cover would never pass. And yet it's there!

Date: 7/5/12 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frosted-feather.livejournal.com
I excluded The Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings from my criteria because 1) they seem to be for general audiences and not specifically YA, and 2) in my mind they'll always win every contest, they're The Cannon to which I compare most 20th century fiction. It didn't seem quite fair to include them. :) I had to think harder to come up with my list of five.

I also haven't read the other four winners, so I will have to check them out.

Date: 7/6/12 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
Yeah, I suspect that's why the Chronicles of Narnia only got the one vote and Harry Potter got few as well - HP becomes a YA series, but they start out oriented towards children. That's what makes Harry Potter hard to categorise (and so good) - the books grow with Harry, so that by the end I really consider the seventh book to be an adult book. Just without the sense of alienation that most 'adult' books seem to have these days.

Date: 7/6/12 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
I think a lot of people feel (or at least I do) that Harry Potter sort of "transcends" all other books--there's no point in naming it, because we all know that everyone loves it and that it's so great. So when people ask for your favorite book, you might be more inclined to skip saying Harry Potter, because it's so obvious. It's sort of like Pride and Prejudice and Jane Austen. When people ask me what my favorite Austen is, I immediately opt out P&P without thinking, because it's already so well known and a favorite of everyone's.

Also, I think people just wanted to give lots of love to underrate authors =)

Date: 7/6/12 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenar-padmire.livejournal.com
"Also, I think people just wanted to give lots of love to underrate authors =)"

Exactly. A big thanks to Bookworm for initiating this. My To Read pile has gained a few more floors.

Date: 7/6/12 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
That could be viewed two different ways: 1) "Yay, booksbooksbooks!!! I will never be bored again!" or 2) "SO MANY BOOKS AAAAGGGHHH I DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO SLEEP ANYMORE"

Date: 7/6/12 08:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 7/6/12 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyadeone.livejournal.com
Shoot! Missed the voting. : P
Quite interesting results.

Date: 7/7/12 04:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Twilight was not recommended at all... LOL! Well...

And yay! I need to go get some of these titles now! Great job Bookworm!!

Elle

Date: 7/7/12 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Wow, I haven't read quite a few of these! I must find Code Name Verity and Crown Duel!

I forgot to vote (tbh I kept putting it off because it was too hard! lol) but I would have cast a second vote for Huckleberry Finn and a third for His Dark Materials. And a fifth for Harry Potter. Although, like others have said, HP hardly needs to be stated.

And QT, of course.

It's the fifth that's hard. I can come up with a top ten list, but where does the cut off go? Agggh!

Date: 7/8/12 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentmaly.livejournal.com
Yes, do read Crown Duel. Though it throws me off, because my copies were published separately as Crown Duel and Court Duel, and some editions have them both together and are just called Crown Duel.

Date: 7/9/12 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelver506.livejournal.com
Mmm, MWT, Wein, Pierce, and McKinley all mentioned in the same place. I truly love this site.

Date: 7/9/12 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chachic.wordpress.com (from livejournal.com)
YAY! Love the results, I've read all of the books in the top 5 list although I haven't finished reading all of the Chrestomanci books. It makes me happy that EWein is included in that list. And Melina Marchetta is included in the list of top authors. ♥

Date: 7/10/12 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
Yay I have read all of the top 5! Also I've read most/all books from all of the top 5 authors.... except Melina Marchetta. I tried Jellicoe Road and got bored.... *hides*. Is there another of hers that I might find more interesting?

Date: 7/11/12 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
I got a hiding place somewhere over here...

Though most Marchetta fans say Jellicoe Road is very good, I don't know if I should take the chance after Finnikin.

Date: 7/11/12 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
Did you try to read Finnikin and stop? Why did you stop? Just curious.

Date: 7/11/12 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Yeah, I read Finnikin of the Rock and got halfway through before deciding to put it down. Bluntly put, I didn't like any of the characters. So since I didn't care about them, I didn't bother finding out what happened.

But I heard the plot was good, so maybe I gave up on it too early.

Date: 7/11/12 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you so much for putting all this together. I haven't seen the winner of the NPR Poll yet, but somehow I doubt their top five are going to be my favorite authors the way they are here.

~mwt
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