[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] queensthief
I trust this slightly off-topic subject will not be frowned upon by Sounis, seeing as the Great Authoress herself is a fan of Rosemary Sutcliff's fantastic books, even going so far as to drop references to said books in her own fantastic writing. (Yeah, that makes my wee geek's heart sing, that does.) Further geekery beyond the cut!

To the point: I just finished reading Sutcliff's Roman Britain trilogy: The Eagle of the Ninth, The Silver Branch, and The Lantern Bearers. Suffice to say they were utterly amazing and I may be emotionally unstable for a few days whilst I get over the particularly keenly raw stage of post-good-book-syndrome. (Sighing, gasping, sobbing.) Eagle has long been a favorite of mine--it caught my young imagination the first time I read it in a way quite unlike other books, and has only gotten better with subsequent re-reads. (Let's face it. Romans and Celts will never cease to fascinate.) It took me a while to realize there were other books linked to it. Well, I think I'd begun Lantern at some point when I was younger and didn't appreciate it much, sans context. But now that I've given the whole trilogy a read-over, in the right order: Wow. It was an agonizing read at times, a long, long journey through linked history. I can't recommend it enough to anyone who hasn't yet read it. But I know a lot of Sounisians are already fans, and so I just came here for lack of a better place to sigh, gasp, sob, and generally geek out in good company.

Also, I had a question for anyone who might be able to answer it: Does anyone know of a kind of chart or chronology of Sutcliff's books? Not just in the order she wrote them, but I was thinking I'd like to continue to read them in the "right" order history-wise, too, seeing as it gives the stories much greater context in my mind. Thanks! Last but not least, I just ordered a hard-to-find copy of Sutcliff's autobiography, Blue Remembered Hills. I'm looking forward to reading it. Has anyone else here read it?

Date: 3/27/13 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Ow, I really need to get around to reading her books! They've been on my TBR list for years, but I must make them a priority this year.

Looks like Wikipedia has a rather useful list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Sutcliff#Books) of her series in order and her other books in publishing order. Hope that helps. :)

Date: 3/27/13 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ccwtaylor.livejournal.com
I too am a Sutcliff geek! I assume you've read Mark of the Horse Lord, which is the most directly relevant book to the series, since the scene with Costis contempalting suicided at the beginning of King echoes it rather clearly. It is my favorite Sutcliff!

I've read Blue Remembered Hills, and was somewhat unmoved--her fiction is more interesting than her life! But it's still well worth reading.

Date: 3/27/13 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ccwtaylor.livejournal.com
Oh yeah. Gut wrenching doesn't even describe it. But so, so, so good!

Date: 3/27/13 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvenjaneite.livejournal.com
BUT IT'S SO GOOD. SO GOOD.

For also tragic but amazing, Bonnie Dundee. And The Shining Company. And Knight's Fee.

Date: 3/27/13 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Mark of the Horse Lord practically killed me. But it was so worth it to find out the truth to the "two inches in the right place was all it took" sentence. And the recent reissued book has such a lovely cover (http://www.okanagan.bc.ca/Assets/Departments+%28Administration%29/Library/Images/deakin/Mark+of+the+Horse+Lord.jpg).

Date: 3/28/13 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Well, I suppose it does just make you want to touch that tattoo, huh? :)

Date: 3/29/13 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Lol, this is why I kept it below my pillow, and Eagle of the Ninth out on my desk when I had both of them on loan. XD

Date: 3/29/13 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manderelee.livejournal.com
Me too!!! After I read it, I felt so hollow. And it's not like I even liked the protagonist, because he was just so... unfeeling, but just when that was about to change, well... yeah. I think I feel more sorry for his wife. T__T

Date: 3/28/13 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] etv13.livejournal.com
Sword at Sunset is the sequel to The Lantern Bearers, but it's also King Arthur, narrated by Arthur (here Artos) himself. A fantastic book, although like Knight's Fee and The Mark of the Horse Lord it always makes me cry.

Date: 3/28/13 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gkchesterton1.livejournal.com
I'm a big Sutcliff fan. I have over thirty of her books. My favorites are The Mark of the Horse Lord and The Lantern Bearers. I let a friend of mine borrow The Mark of the Horse Lord and the ending made her so unhappy, she did not read anything for three months. Which reminds me, we need more books from Megan. At least she did not only write two books like Elizabeth Marie Pope did.
Edited Date: 3/28/13 11:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 3/28/13 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gkchesterton1.livejournal.com
It has taken several years. They have been on my Christmas and birthday lists for a while. I also haunt Amazon because you never know when one of the higher priced one will suddenly drop in price for a short time. Which reminds me .... heads off to Amazon.

Date: 3/29/13 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gkchesterton1.livejournal.com
Yes I have it and it is good. Just bought two of her books last night.

Date: 3/29/13 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
The fact that Elizabeth Marie Pope only wrote two books is one of the great tragedies of the world.

Date: 3/29/13 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
"post-good-book-syndrome" lol what a great term. I just finished re-reading the Chrestomanci books by DWJ, and I know EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL. A sad, lost feeling it is =(

I found Eagle of the Ninth a little challenging to read, but ultimately it was a book that made a large impression.

Date: 3/29/13 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gkchesterton1.livejournal.com
I did not immediately fall in love with Sutcliff. It took a couple of her books. In fact one of my favorites, The Mark of the Horse Lord, I really did not like the first time. Her books, like Megan's, get better on rereading.

Date: 3/30/13 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frosted-feather.livejournal.com
This is a really great post for me to put down my thoughts in comparing Sutcliff with MWT. I see the depth and detail, the atmosphere, the history, that comes through in Sutcliff's work and I see why MWT loves her and is influenced by her. But there's also a remote aspect to Sutcliff's characters, a hardness probably due to their circumstances, a lack of general compassion for others, that I find it harder as a reader to love them. Her writing is mesmerizing and far above the caliber of most children's book writing, or even historical fiction for adults. I just find her characters to respond very inwardly and inscrutibly to trauma.

Whereas MWT has a way of detailing a world as beautifully and yet still bringing a warmth to her characters. Like I feel privileged to get to hear their thoughts. Here's what I wrote in my own notes after reading The Shining Company just this January:
"Rosemary Sutcliff has a way of making every stranger [in her stories] dark-eyed and sullen, not someone you are called upon to care for. But I know that each person has pain and fear, likes and dislikes, and I'd like her characters to acknowledge that. Someone not the hero's concern is not the reader's concern, and it makes the whole world darker, lonlier, a more cut-throat place. Whereas MWT's world is populated by side characters who lives and feelings do seem to have meaning, even though we know little about them."

So I feel that MWT has captured in her writing what Sutcliff did in part, which is to bring together all of the best experiences of reading a book (setting, characters, plot, etc) into one reading experience.
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