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Sorry these are so late.  I've been a bit busy with family things.  Anyway, notes and pictures under the cut.

Megan Whalen Turner on the importance of teaching books to children


If your child is reading more books than you can keep up with, they are old enough to choose their own books.  Is your child going to make mistakes, yes.  Should you shield them from them?  No.

Labeling for MG and YA books: no.  Read the jacket copy.  Bait and switch is not a good business model for publishers.

Swear words: as dialogue.

Publishers make mistakes with marketing, but they don’t make them on purpose.  Most critics can’t point to a place where they have been misled about books before they read them.  Please contact her if you find one.

Tip for writers, if there is bad language in a book, use equivalent language on the first page.  In fact, give a good feel for the novel on the first page, content wise.

Authors have to write their on jacket copy, including biography,  so if they’re talking themselves up...  She wrote it, and they would have to rewrite it so that it was good.

Kids do this too, read the jacket, first page, etc.  (Well, duh.)

Teach children to look for code words in the jacket copy.

If unhappy with a book a child is reading, don’t ask why it was there on the library shelf, but why the kid read it

She avoids the word poignant (code word for sob story, seriously, brought up the book No More Dead Dogs.  I read this in middle school.  Now I feel really young)

Do kids read things they wish they hadn’t read, yes.  It happens.

You can skip to the back of the book!!!  A lot of books she wouldn’t have read if she had known this.

Sometimes you feel like the only way out is through.  With books, that isn’t true.

When other kids give your children books:

Check them.

Never tell a kid they can’t read something (partly because that will make them want to read it)

Choosing books allows children to choose what to think.  Right to control what is inside your head.

Turner Family Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy for vicerally upsetting books:  Unless a teacher asks, don’t tell them you didn’t read it.  If you are asked, be honest.

Should be used for when vicerally upset by the things the kid is supposed to read

The Gift of the Magi (Which she’s always hated)

Allowed to control what you read, not what others read.

Banned books: Prompted by a child coming to a parent saying no.

Something we should all be happy about, a child with the confidence to say  I don't want to read this book.

Talk to teacher: Why did you assign the book?  Listen carefully to the response to why.

Can’t go through life hiding books from your child.

Best way to connect a child with a book they will want to read is to talk to a librarian

Not such a bad thing for children to have advanced warning of bad things in real life.

Access to librarians, more librarians

Look at internet, how other people react to books.  Huge sea change

About the Thief books:

Mediterranean: landscape everybody knows: can use this

Cistern in Mycenae inspiration for the temple in The Thief  (Dark creepy maze)

Advice to writers and readers:

Read good books

Read bad books

Don’t rely on rules

Write your own notes



As for the pictures, keep in mind, my dad took them, so the focus is heavily on me (since he was nice enough to drive me up to Chattanooga in the first place, I can't complain.

Anyway, here is the only shot of my fellow Sounisians:



Here is MWT in front of her powerpoint, talking about No More Dead Dogs:



And here is me fangirling all over MWT:




I seem to remember other people had cameras, and hopefully someone else in the group is willing to share their photos to make up for mine?

Date: 10/29/13 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
Thank you for this!

Most critics can’t point to a place where they have been misled about books before they read them. Can you expound on what MWT meant by this? I've definitely read books that were compared to Tamora Pierce and MWT's novels (and that's why I read them), and I found them disappointing.

In fact, give a good feel for the novel on the first page, content wise. I love this. In fact, I love everything, especially the advice to parents.

Date: 10/29/13 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
Ahh, thanks for the clarification!

Date: 10/30/13 01:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
OT: Is that icon a detail of "Christina's World"?

Date: 10/30/13 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
It's actually from the cover of Ellen Emerson White's The President's Daughter (highly recommended) - the entire series' covers are based on paintings!

Date: 10/30/13 02:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
Which is indeed based on Andrew Wyeth's famous "Christina's World":

Image (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0066A30ZU/cracksandshar-20) Image (http://www.moma.org/collection/object.php?object_id=78455)
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Date: 10/30/13 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
Yes! (http://beth-shulman.livejournal.com/28378.html)

Date: 10/30/13 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
Can't see your links. "Pearl Earring" figures in family story. shutdown in 2 se

Date: 10/30/13 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
Sorry, not sure why. One's based on the Vermeer, one on a Whistler painting, and one on the Mona Lisa.

Date: 10/30/13 04:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
"Not authorized" says Frank the Goat. Looks like they're locked.

Access is closed!
You have no access to this photo.
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Date: 11/1/13 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peanut13171.livejournal.com
Didn't know that! Gosh, the excerpts on your LJ make me need to read the series again. Wish I was home so I could access my books.

Have you read he stuff she wrote as Zack Emerson? I have *NO* interest in the VN war, but those books were, funny, entertaining, sad, informative. And The Road Home made me want to cry. Powerful stuff. Outstanding writer.

Date: 11/1/13 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-shulman.livejournal.com
She's amazing. I didn't read the Zack Emerson ones, but I read The Road Home and - wow. It's fantastic.

Date: 10/29/13 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiegirl.livejournal.com
Eeeeeeeee!!! Thanks so much! It sounds like an awesome experience! I love your dogs, too. Maltese cross, huh? Hahaha I crack myself up.

Date: 10/29/13 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiegirl.livejournal.com
Ain't she great, wonderful, awesome? And all ours...well, maybe not all.

Date: 10/29/13 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canonisrelative.livejournal.com
This is great, thank you! ...and your dog is ridiculous and I love it <3

Date: 10/29/13 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
Thank you for sharing your notes! Interesting ponderings. And the pictures. I have a weird fascination with MWT's jewelry. It's always pretty. Always good to "see" Sounisians, too! It's strange to think I might walk right past some of you, unless of course you wear your avatar images on your T-shirts, or something...

Ha! I love your dog, and his ancestral legs. Is the other dog part poodle, by chance?

Date: 10/30/13 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
A [[big jewelry] person] indeed!

Date: 10/30/13 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com

Ziggy's all poodle, probably. I think there's a little dachshund in there, but he's mostly if not all poodle.

I thought so! I have poodles, and I recognized the profile. Wonderful dogs, despite the bad rap they get on account of the foofy haircuts. :)

Date: 10/30/13 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
Is there room on this soapbox for me? :)

Also, labradoodles. I babysat for a family that had labradoodles, and fell in love with them.

Date: 11/1/13 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aged-crone.livejournal.com
Rupert of the Rhine (see icon for picture of him in his youth) had a hunting poodle named Boye or Boy, who has his own Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boye_(dog)

Date: 10/30/13 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pico-the-great.livejournal.com
Ah, what a great lecture! I shouldn't be surprised - MWT does tend to say stuff I agree with, esp about reading.

When I was a kid my parents never restricted what I read - they suggested things, and brought home books they thought I'd like, or ones I'd requested (having a dad who works at a library has its perks!). They were in fact absolutely delighted about how much I read, and we're still a family of readers - they're now happy that my brother's gotten into reading as well. Books are our main Christmas presents.

I'd love to see the lecture once the library finally posts it!

Date: 10/30/13 06:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
Yeah, my parents were in the same boat. Knew absolutely nothing about what books I read. And thank goodness too, because I learned so much more from those books than I would have without them.

Date: 10/30/13 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
I was pretty much allowed to read what I liked once I hit my teen years. (I already had a pretty developed taste in reading by then and I don't think my parents were too concerned about me experimenting with weird stuff.) (Wow, unintentionally, I just made reading sound like substance abuse, or something.) (What I meant was: my parents were no longer paying attention, because they pretty much didn't have to. I could handle most things and decide for myself what I was comfortable reading.) Prior to that, I mostly read my older siblings' books, meaning those books were sort of "pre-approved" and I was never aware of a book being withheld from me... unless a sibling told me something along the lines of, "You might like this better when you're a little older". There were certain books my parents were somewhat suspicious of (not in the book-burning sense, or anything)... I didn't read HP until I was 19, for example, because I wasn't encouraged to, but honestly, I never felt like I was being deprived of something. I had more than enough books to choose from and read when I was young, and I'm still discovering favorites among the children's aisles to this day.

But I don't see why a well-read, conscientious parent wouldn't want to guide their young reader, somewhat. Personally, I loved it when an older person would recommend a book to me. As always, a lot depends on the individual child, and a parent's careful understanding of that child. I would hope to strike a certain balance between guiding them through and setting them loose among the stacks. I guess I will have to test these ideas if and when I have my own kids, though. (But I aspire to have collected so many books of my own by then, they won't necessarily have to rely on the local library for new reading material! That's called fulfilling my own childhood dream, lol.) I love what MWT has said about giving children space to be alone with their books once they have chosen them. Once they've discovered something that makes them tick... yay and my work is done. (Although, if we're fans of the same books, of course I'll want to geek out with them later. ;)

Date: 10/30/13 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like a great talk, and I am so glad Sounis was represented there.

Ha, love that dog's legs. Adorable and so interesting.

Was it mostly librarians in the audience? Did they applaud and stomp their feet when Megan said there should be more of them? Wait, I can't imagine librarians ever stomping their feet, but enthusiastic applause, maybe?

Date: 10/30/13 02:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
You haven't spent much time with librarians outside the library. I was married to one. :-) I went to some conventions with her, so I know what an audience of excited librarians sounds like!

Date: 10/31/13 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boringjackie.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting!! It was such a good talk. I'm a nerd for anything related to children's literature/literacy though. Also, I'm photo-less but I think I remember Filkferengi taking some of the presentation?

Date: 11/2/13 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boringjackie.livejournal.com
Yeah I remember that too! I thought it was your dad who took it but now I'm thinking it might have been Filkferengi's camera that he used.

Date: 10/31/13 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
Yay! Thank you for this lovely post!
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Date: 11/6/13 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgwordy.livejournal.com
Thanks so much for posting this! It's great to get to read these for a small taste of an event you can't go to.
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