post-KoA thoughts.

[ironicoffee.livejournal.com]

So I've just finished KoA, and wow. Just wow. It was great. I love how it was open-ended, so there's enough room for another sequel. Can barely wait, but I know MWT likes to take her time. Meh.

Anyway, I've been thinking a lot, and I don't know if these have come up here before, but I want to read what you guys think.



I was watching The Fountain last night, when I thought the queen there, Queen Isabella (Here and here), portrayed by Rachel Weisz, looked like what I imagined the Queen of Attolia would look like. In the books, she was described as very fair, and having dark hair and a coldness about her, and there were scenes in The Fountain that brought out those images to me.

I think Rachel Weisz would make a good Queen of Attolia if they ever plan on making a movie (and they should!), even though she looks a little older than the canon. She does have the look though, in my opinion.

Have you guys ever thought of who might make a good Attolia/Eugenides/Eddis/Sophos/Costis, etc. for the movies? Personally, I can't think of anybody who would be good enough for Eugenides; they might have to bring in a new, unknown guy for him. What do you guys think?





What bowled me over in King of Attolia, besides all the crafty twists and stuff, was how Gen and Irene's relationship blossomed, if not consummated. My favorite Gen/Irene part in KoA would have to be the part where she kisses him and tells him that she "loves every single one of his ridiculous lies."

Now that part was a huge surprise for me, not only because it was really out of character for Attolia, but because it was tangible proof of Attolia's love for Gen. Big giddy moment for me.

But I must say my favorite Gen/Irene scene is still the part when they were climbing the stairs to meet Eddis (QoA), and when Gen came to Attolia's tent to kiss her on the lips (still QoA). I have this thing for love/hate relationships, heh.

But what's your favorite Gen/Irene moment? If any, that is. I'm assuming everyone ships the canon, though I admittedly ship Gen/Myself, too. :P





Last question! Which is your favorite book in the series? I loved them all, and they all had their particular highlights, but I really, really loved QoA.



So, yeah. Sorry if I'm bombarding you guys with questions. I'm interested in different POVs about the books and the characters. Comment away, please! :D

Comments

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

"I'm assuming everyone ships the canon." Okay, I know I'm old, guys, but I have no idea what that means. Help me out here.

[bluestalking.livejournal.com]

1) No idea.

2) I dunno, I'm pretty sure they're pretty consummated. Slipping off to her room every night? Don't even tell me they're not consummating. :) As for my favorite moment, I am absolutely mad about the bit in KoA where he asks her to reassure him after a nightmare. I love your eyes, I love your ears, I love every one of your impossible lies. KYAAAA!

3) KoA. All of the ability MWT demonstrated in the first book gets so polished and so subtle and so layered by KoA that I am completely astounded. As a piece of writing, it is astonishing. And I love poor Costis, and as for Gen and Irene...oh sigh. And anyway, as much as I've read the other books, it's the only one that's made me read it three times in a row, within a couple of weeks.

[ironicoffee.livejournal.com]

Ah, heh. The canon = whatever's in the books. Sorry, I've been a fangirl for too long, and stuff like that is vernacular for me. My apologies. ^_^

[bluestalking.livejournal.com]

Ship= short for "relationship," and refers in fandom to the romantic pairing that you support. People get very intense about their ships, particularly in Harry Potter fandom, and there is a tendency towards wildness, war and raging when one group of shippers (House/Wilson versus House/Cuddy! ...though good luck with that one now) threatens or mocks another. It's a little crazy.

And Canon is just all the material supplied by the original creators, i.e. TV episodes, JKR's actual Harry Potter books, etc. Slightly outside canon, but still valid, are the extras from the source, such as interviews, cast photos in character, etc. This apocrypha can sometimes yield a great many tidbits that are pleasing (and sometimes more conclusive than the canon) to hungry shippers who want proof that their ship is valid.

Hope that helps!

[rowana.livejournal.com]

Interesting post!

1. We have a huge, long, spiralling thread on who we thought would make good actors for the characters somewhere. But, since I can't find it to link to it, by all means, let's discuss it again. :) Rachel Weisz looks frighteningly close to my vision of Attolia in that picture. I still think that little known Benedict Cumberbatch (http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/images/benedict_cumberbatch_large.jpg) would make a good Sophos, if he weren't too old. I think I remember suggesting David Tennant for Gen - though Eddisians are a little more difficult to place because of their colouring.

2. I...thought that was the point of the revelation that they were sleeping in the same bed? Er, not sure about that.

My favourite part would have to be one of the points in KoA. I loved the bit when she appears after Gen's had a nightmare and Costis has blasted open his door and the attendants won't leave. The 'ouch', got to me. :)

3. Oh, um, I can't choose one. They're all wonderful, in different ways. I loved the way KoA was written, I loved Gen in the Thief, and QoA...well...it's hard not to love a book which can make you come to like a character who cuts off the protagonist's hand and then refuses to marry him.

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

Thank you. What I really wanted to do was assume a typo on "canon" and think of Gen and his eleven wooden cannon on a ship. But I knew somehow that wasn't what was meant.

[ironicoffee.livejournal.com]

Wait, have they consummated? It's... just that MWT is very vague about the details. She does say that Gen goes to Attolia's bedroom a lot, so I guess it could be interpreted that way.

*is assailed by images of consummating monarchs of Attolia* Yeehaw.

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

I think if you look through the tag for "actors" you'll find some posts with people's past suggestions.

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

OF COURSE they have!!!! What the heck do you think they're doing all night, telling jokes? Bear in mind that the book is mostly from Costis's point of view -- obviously he would not be privy to these moments. Nor should we.

[ironicoffee.livejournal.com]

Well I'm sorry! It's just that I find it difficult to assume. Thinking back I guess I was being too naïve and didn't read too well in between the lines. Sorry for being slow.

I looked at the 'actors' tag and saw the old posts, thanks. Didn't realize my post was old news. I'll double-check my posts' content next time.

[bluestalking.livejournal.com]

:D Any excuse to think about Gen and his wooden cannon. I do love that part.

[bluestalking.livejournal.com]

Oh wow. Rachel Weisz is totally Attolia. That's amazing.

re: your (2) Oh! Oh! The OUCH. I still adore my (2) because I think it's one of the most perfectly written scenes of romantic love I've ever read. But the ouch is good. The ouch is terribly good. And poor darling Costis is just, you know, Moving People Firmly all over the place. It's pretty splendid.

[bluestalking.livejournal.com]

There, there. It's all fine. You are generating discussion. It is good. ^^

[rowana.livejournal.com]

*imagines them both sitting in bed and Gen going: "A Sounisian, an Eddisian and an Attolian walk into a bar"*

[rowana.livejournal.com]

Yes, what penguinkye said. I thought they had, but I guess since we don't directly find out, you could read it as them not having consumated, if you prefer. :) You're generating discussion in the end.

And don't worry about posting on old topics. I couldn't find the old casting post either.

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

I didn't mean to squelch your enthusiasm, just to catch you up on previous suggestions! By all means, post away.

[rowana.livejournal.com]

Isn't she just in those pictures! The clothing is perfect too - that's pretty much the sort I imagine them wearing.

I adored the bit with 'I love every one of your ridiculous lies' too. It was a lovely scene. I suppose I just liked the nightmare one because it followed their fight, and because it seemed to sum up a big part of their relationship. And they weren't trying to hide it from anyone.

Poor darling Costis is right. :) Heh, Moving People Firmly. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Gen's mysterious idea for him is.

[philia-fan.livejournal.com]

(I'm working on a punchline for this, but I don't have it yet. Clearly the Eddisian has stolen someone's wallet, though...)

[rowana.livejournal.com]

(Hah! I've been trying to think of one too. For some reason I keep coming back to dancing bears, goats and underwear. *sigh*)

[hemisofia.livejournal.com]

I like to think it's on the wedding night. Yeah, sure, they probably sat around masterminding how to fix the kingdom etc, but then things got emotional and surely one thing leads to another.......? ^^

[hemisofia.livejournal.com]

I pray everyday the next book doesn't take 5 years to get written...

[avian-xj.livejournal.com]

LOL

[avian-xj.livejournal.com]

1. He would be a good Costis... looks vaguely familiar. Cillian Murphy was another Gen candidate.

2. Yeah

very hard to choose a favorite... probably the one at the end after the sword fighting. "My Queen" "My King" ... "I want my breakfast" "You are incorrigible" and all the words in between that I didn't type out

3. The Thief is still my favorite. I just love seeing inside Gen's head :)

[rowana.livejournal.com]

Yes, I remember someone mentioning Cillian Murphy.

That was a lovely little scene, I didn't think of it because it's a little overshadowed by the fighting beforehand and then the revelations afterwards.

(And I have to just say, the bunny ears! Awesome icon.)

[rowana.livejournal.com]

I feel a little like we shouldn't talk about the next book or we'll jinx it.

Well, it took three years for QoA, and then six years for KoA. I just hope it isn't going to be twelve years until the next one.