URGENT QUESTION about pronunciation.
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queensthiefI'm rereading The Thief in order to get geared up for The King of Attolia - my oh my, rereading is so much sweeter than the first time around, GETTING ALL THE FORESHADOWING - and I suddenly had a thought. All the time I have pronounced our Queen's Thief's name "YOO-jen-eyds." But I was reading, and I read Ambiades's name for the thousandth time, and I realized that I pronounce it "am-BY-uh-deez." This seems correct to me, based on my small knowledge of and experience with Greek and Greekish words and names. And I looked at Eugenides's name again - and realized it could also be pronounced "yoo-JEN-uh-deez," possibly more accurately. Or also "yoo-jen-I-deez." I'm not sure what I feel about either of these, or about possibly changing the way I pronounce the name, but I have a compulsion to at least know the truth. Or the general consensus of what the truth might be.
And so my questions to you, my newly-found fellow fans, are
a) How do you pronounce Eugenides?
b) How do you intellectually think it SHOULD be pronounced?
c) What about the pronunciations of various other interesting names that I can't think of at the moment?
To recap, my answers are
a) YOO-jen-eyds (rhymes with...er...you jen rides)
b) Possibly "yoo-JEN-uh-deez"
c) I can't think of any at the moment.
Thank you very much, in advance!
EDIT: For reference, the general consenus seems to be, and the audiobooks seem to say, that the proper thing to do would be to pronounce it
yoo-JEN-uh-deez
However, we have a fairly wide array of other ways to pronounce it, too. Extremely interesting!
Thank you all very much, again, for your input!
And so my questions to you, my newly-found fellow fans, are
a) How do you pronounce Eugenides?
b) How do you intellectually think it SHOULD be pronounced?
c) What about the pronunciations of various other interesting names that I can't think of at the moment?
To recap, my answers are
a) YOO-jen-eyds (rhymes with...er...you jen rides)
b) Possibly "yoo-JEN-uh-deez"
c) I can't think of any at the moment.
Thank you very much, in advance!
EDIT: For reference, the general consenus seems to be, and the audiobooks seem to say, that the proper thing to do would be to pronounce it
yoo-JEN-uh-deez
However, we have a fairly wide array of other ways to pronounce it, too. Extremely interesting!
Thank you all very much, again, for your input!
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Date: 1/17/06 11:13 pm (UTC)Did you know, also, that if you look up the latin roots of everyones names, they have very appropriate meanings? Eugenides means "the wellborn" and Sophos meant "wisdom"...I don't remember any others at the moment.
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Date: 1/18/06 01:26 pm (UTC)Oh yes, I was think about the meanings of the names yesterday! I knew Sophos, and I figured out Eugenides; I imagine Attolia is related to the word atoll, a coral island consisting of a reef surrounding a lagoon. Do you, or anyone else here, by any chance know the meaning of Ambiades? Both...something. I asked my father what he would guess it meant if he came across it somewhere, and he said pairs. "And Noah took two of each creature aboard the ark, yea, he took ambiades..."
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Date: 1/18/06 07:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/19/06 12:26 pm (UTC)Anyone know what Lyopidus might mean? Eugenides, god of thieves, 's mortal brother who died in the fire Eugenides accidentally made with Sky's thunderbolts.
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Date: 1/17/06 11:15 pm (UTC)I listened to the audiobook of The Thief, and here's what they said:
You-JEN-i-dees, or Jen
A-TOLL-ee-uh
Am-BUY-uh-dees
MAY-gus
Paul
SO-fus
SUE-nis
ED-is
I'm guessing in KOA it is KO-stis (long o sound) but I'm only basing that on the character's name in the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants movie, who was greek and spelled his name Kostis rather than Costis.
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Date: 1/17/06 11:16 pm (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/17/06 11:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 01:53 am (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/18/06 01:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 01:18 am (UTC)Do you remember what the difference sounded like on the audiobooks?
By the way, thanks for the great reference!
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Date: 1/18/06 01:55 am (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/18/06 01:40 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 1/19/06 12:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 01:29 pm (UTC)So they pronounce the "ee" in a-TOLL-ee-uh? I've said a-TOLL-yuh, but it's easier to change this one, and easier to say it doesn't matter. The other pronunciations are what I've been saying.
May I ask who the publisher of your audiobook is? From where, which country, comes it?
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Date: 1/18/06 10:07 pm (UTC)http://www.ecampus.com/book/0788713469
Maybe ebay?
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Date: 1/19/06 12:29 pm (UTC)Is there any music?
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Date: 1/19/06 07:03 pm (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 4/19/07 01:47 am (UTC)First Chapter online
Date: 1/17/06 11:38 pm (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/18/06 01:37 pm (UTC)I'm pretty sure you can post as a guest, at least, the button was still there when I logged out and checked. Go to the
THANK YOU AGAIN NOW I MUST GO FIND THIS FIRST CHAPTER
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Date: 1/18/06 01:42 pm (UTC)Barnes & Noble posted the first chapter! (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=Qe0F2qvBQz&ean=9780060835774&displayonly=CHP#CHP)
Thank you so much, Checkers!
*goes to
devourread*Re: First Chapter online
Date: 1/18/06 04:36 pm (UTC)Well, I would if I could.
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Date: 1/18/06 09:49 pm (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/18/06 09:59 pm (UTC)Re: First Chapter online
Date: 1/19/06 12:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 01:27 am (UTC)Beware that these are totally off-the-cuff pronunciations that just popped into my head while I was reading.
a) you-JEN-ides (is in the ides of march)
b) probably you-JEN-uh-dees (although to me that sounds a bit too much like genitals, anyone else getting that?)
c) During King of Attolia I was pronouncing Costis as KAH-stis no KO-stis, but I'm a bit of an idiot so there is that. :)
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Date: 1/18/06 02:37 am (UTC)-Caroline
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Date: 1/18/06 01:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 03:55 am (UTC)b) you-JEN-id-eez
c) Hmmm ... I can't think of any either.
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Date: 1/18/06 01:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/18/06 04:43 pm (UTC)yoo-jen-ah-dees --like the word Eugenics. Meaning stuff about birth and descent, which probably comes from the same latin root that Eugenides (the well born) stems from. Also:
Att-oll-e-ah
Ar-ack-thus
Ee-dis
So-phus
Pol (as in, not Paul. Whoops)
Am-bee-ah-days
May-jus
(*sings "You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to*)
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Date: 1/19/06 12:24 pm (UTC)I actually say to-may-to, but sometimes I make myself say to-mah-to, just for fun. ;D
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Date: 1/19/06 06:46 pm (UTC)Do people say to-mah-toe sometimes over there, or is it always to-may-to? :)
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Date: 1/19/06 08:53 pm (UTC)lol! I personally say to-mah-toe, lol part of my hybrid Hindi-Canadian accent.
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Date: 1/19/06 08:54 pm (UTC)-Caroline
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Date: 1/20/06 04:35 pm (UTC)Oops! I forgot to reply to this part:
lol! I personally say to-mah-toe, lol part of my hybrid Hindi-Canadian accent.
Wow, you must have an interesting accent. My mum's is pseudo kutchian/english. :) So I know all about strange accents.
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Date: 1/20/06 04:33 pm (UTC):) You're right, I don't think MWT did mean it to be such a big issue. At least we can look forward to it being resolved in the next book. :)
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Date: 1/20/06 01:43 am (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/20/06 04:39 pm (UTC)But it works the opposite way here. Anyone saying to-may-to would just be stared at. You can't really say to-may-to in a British accent anyway, it sounds a bit queer.
Odd. :)
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Date: 1/21/06 01:58 am (UTC)~checkers
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Date: 1/22/06 10:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 1/20/06 05:43 am (UTC)Correct English Pronunciation
Date: 5/29/18 10:38 pm (UTC)-Joel Eugenides