i wonder

Jan. 16th, 2011 01:02 pm
[identity profile] pysch-colours.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] queensthief
is it just me and the effect of too many essays for english, or does mrs. turner mention the moon a lot?
like, enough to make it a motif or a symbol of something? phresine tells that story to gen in king of attolia, and the whole thing that got me thinking about this is attolia's little bit when she's trying to sleep in queen and the narrator says she looked at the moon or something.
i think there are more examples of this, but i haven't got the books with me right now, so i can't cite any.
maybe i'm just overthinking this. maybe there're really not that many examples and i'm seeing what i want to see.
still, though, despite my turning this over in my head a few times, i can't figure out what the moon is supposed to symbolise, if it's a symbol of anything. inconstancy? ("o, swear not by the moon, th' inconstant moon/that monthly changes in her circled orb/lest that they love prove likewise variable.") that could make sense, given that gen is a thief --the thief--and eddis does make that comment about him lying to everyone, including himself (and is not lying an example of inconstancy? the list of synonyms given by dictionary.com is: "moody, capricious, vacillating, wavering; undependable, unstable, unsettled, uncertain; mutable, mercurial, volatile." gen is most of these things, and mercurial was used in the dancing scene in king to describe him.)

just some (half-incoherent) thoughts and some shakespeare love. (-:
what do you guys think?

also, sorry about the all-lowercase thing. i have an issues with capital letters on the computer, so the only time i really use them is when i'm writing fiction.

edit: guess what i found on an art-prompt generator? (don't ask.)

"Theme: thief. It should contain the moon or body modifications, and use primarily neutral colors."
i kinda want to draw this now.
 

Date: 1/16/11 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Oh no, we've frequently discussed the numerous references to moon goddesses and moon promises that appear in the series. If you're a lunatic, then so are we! Yes, I actually think that's funny.

As far as solid cannon goes, the moon doesn't seem to have a concrete religious meaning or motif function in any of the cultures. The moon often represents unfaithfulness, because of how it changes its face. In ancient Greek culture, the moon also held associates with wildness and unpredictability. It was after all the symbol of the unconventional huntress, Artemis - patron goddess of the hunt and unmarried women.

If Megan's frequent references to the moon mean anything, it's probably just as you said, a reference to Gen, his wild ways, and his moon promises. And Shakespeare = awesome. That is a great line from R&J. It's reminded me often of QT.

Date: 1/16/11 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philia-fan.livejournal.com
There are many instances of the moon representing inconstancy in art, but I thought of one where it means the opposite. From the Indigo Girls:

'Cause if you're ever believing
I'm thinking of leaving
Look to the moon, 'cause it's a fact --
She may go wandering about, but she always comes shining back.

I like that, because the moon only appears inconstant -- it changes its position and appearance every night, but follows a pattern and always comes around again.

Date: 1/16/11 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amolegere.livejournal.com
Klimon and Gerosthenes is my FAVORITE story in the series so far!!! It makes for some amusing moments when I want to cite it in class then remember that it isn't ACTUALLY an ancient Greek myth. It's just so perfect!

Date: 1/16/11 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inkasrain.livejournal.com
I've had a pet theory for a while that it is the moon goddess featured in the story of Klimun and Gerosthenes who speaks to Gen at the end of "Queen of Attolia". My primary evidence for this is the fact that Gen mentions that he visited Kathodicia with his grandfather when he was a child, and that they made a sacrifice there. I don't know if other references to the moon affect my theory in either direction, but I'd love it if they help corroborate it!

Date: 1/17/11 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think it's also interesting that the moon is completely obscured by clouds the moment when Eugenides confesses his love to Attolia.

If he known for making "moon promises", there's no moon in the moment he tells the truth - it's completely dark out. Maybe it's poetic imagery to show that when he tells the truth, it's still hard to believe.

Date: 1/18/11 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aged-crone.livejournal.com
No, I don't think Moongan moontions the moon all that moonch. I moon, sure, occasionally, but it probably doesn't moon anything. Moonby it is you and all those English lunarature papers you've had to write - you see the moon even when there isn't one there.

Date: 1/18/11 05:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Re-reading The Queen of Attolia, but one of my favourite scenes involves Eugenides stealing the magus - and there's moonlight awashing the magus's room as Eugenides twists the knife of his revenge into Sounis.

He's telling the truth behind his lies, and for the magus, those probably the harshest words to hear right at that moment. For the magus, there's also the feeling of "all the discontinuity of a dream."

The moonlight might expose the stuff in the dark, but it's also not the best light to see things clearly - something that Eugenides seems like taking advantage of as a thief who may not be lying, but makes it seem that way more often than not.

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