[identity profile] chubbyleng.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] queensthief
This was on the LJ front page, and it got me thinking. How do you feel about fanfiction? How do you guys feel about authors disallowing fanfiction of their works? Is it really a "lazy way out"?

I understand the whole copyright issue behind it, and I think that authors have every right to control the way fans use the characters and world they've created, but when I really like a book and find out that the author doesn't like to have fanworks of it, I can't help but feel disappointed. I've been writing fanfiction for a long time, and I think it really helps with understanding characters or at least forming your perception of the characters. And it's always charming to see how other people perceive the characters you read about. And for people like me, I wonder why it has to be a "lazy way out" when I don't even have plans of becoming a published author. (I also don't understand the 'suing' part. Fanfiction writers don't make any money. What are they going to sue from you?)

With that said, for the writers here, or people who are planning to be writers, (or dreaming of becoming one), would you be offended if people write fanfiction of your works? 

How about fanarts? Do fanarts hold the same gravity of rights infringement as fanfictions do?

Date: 4/20/12 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
I just saw this too, and I was kind of annoyed - I mean, I can understand that authors want to protect their rights, but fanfiction authors usually have to put a disclaimer, so it's obvious that they are not being disinegenuous in any way.

I write fanfiction as sort of an expression of my love for the series and the charachters. My feeling is this:
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I'd think I'd be honored.

And I don't think Fanart is an infringement either. Even more thatn fanfiction, it completely belongs to the artist, IMO. It's no different than being inspired by something you saw while you were grocery shopping and decided to make art about it. Quite honestly, alot of the fanart Gens, Irenes and Helens floating around here would be just as lovely w/o prior knowledge of the series.

I think you're going to have a spirited and interesting discussion on your hands, Leng!

Date: 4/20/12 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
I know this is tangental, but what is this putting AUs with OOC fic and claiming it doesn't help you understand the world and characters? I've been writing primarily AU fic for my entire fic writing career, andhaving to consider what changes and what doesn't when I change an aspect of the canon universe teaches me a lot about the characters and the world both. I've also writen original character stories (though never an AU about original characters, because, why?) and that too can teach a whole lot about the world.

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Date: 4/20/12 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loquaciousquark.livejournal.com
The thing I've never understood is why some people willingly slap an OOC label on their own fanfic. That makes absolutely no sense to me--it's like they're admitting they got the character wrong and they know it, but they're too lazy/unwilling to correct the character's responses and then...advertising it? IDGI IDK.

That said, one of the most popular fics in one of my fandoms is a coffeeshop AU, and the reason it's so popular is precisely because even in that setting, the characters are instantly recognizable and all their reactions are wholly in keeping with how they act in the source material. That seemed more the mark of a good writer than someone who just tacked a photo over the characters' faces and called them the right name while they acted like a whole 'nother person altogether.

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Date: 4/20/12 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earthstar-moon.livejournal.com
While I get that some writers might get annoyed with how some fanfics might portray their characters/setting, I really don't think it should be that big of a deal. It's not like fanfics are going to get readers to stop reading the original works (unless of course the fanfics start being better because the series decided to suddenly turn bad, but that's the author's fault not the fanfics. *cough*Naruto*cough*).

In fact, a lot of published writers get their start from writing fanfics before they start to develop their own world and characters. Fanfics just show how much fans love a series and also examine or give attention to certain characters that the original author just didn't have the option to do.

I'm hoping one day to be a published writer, I'm not going to mind one bit if there's fanfiction. However, I am going to make it clear that I'm not going to read any fanfics either. A lot of writers take that policy so there's no risk of a fanfic writer saying "Hey! That author stole that idea from my fanfic!" It sounds silly, but I think it's a reasonable approach.

Date: 4/20/12 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
As a writer, I know that *I* want to tell my characters' stories. I would be disappointed in myself if someone else thought part of my story needed to be filled in with fan fiction, because then it would feel like I'd failed to make it complete myself. Authors put a lot of time and thought into crafting their stories, deciding what goes in and what does not and what's only hinted at, etc. There are some great Mona Lisa parodies out there that I like but I sure wouldn't want someone to deepen the corners of her smile on the original da Vinci because they thought it was too faint. Does that make sense/work as an illustration?

THAT SAID, I realize that fan fiction is a form of praise and I don't think I'd get too upset about it, as long as people respected the original as canon. I'm a pretty laid back individual. My only qualm would be if people fundamentally changed the original story (e.g. had a character fall in love with someone other than the character I paired them with, changed the core of their personality, etc). That would bother me. Fan fiction spin-offs, inspired-bys, and all-in-good-funs would be a different thing. I think some of it could be really exciting. There are so, so many books out there that come from the same sources of inspiration... legends, traditions, etc. It's the nature of art.

Finally, I agree with the authors who encouraged people inspired by their works to create and carry on with their own stories/characters/worlds. Never having been into writing fan fiction myself, this is what I try to do. Everyone has their own story to tell. Everyone. I'm not saying fan fiction is a waste of time (it's good practice!) and I realize that some people don't aspire to be published authors themselves - it's about the enjoyment they get from writing fan fiction. That's fine too.

Interesting subject! I'm not always sure where exactly I would stand on it... a lot would depend on the particular case.

Date: 4/20/12 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helle-d.livejournal.com
I found your first paragraph interesting, because my view is almost the opposite - that fanfiction works best when a world is detailed enough that an author couldn't hope to explore every aspect of it, and there are corners free to play with.

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Date: 4/21/12 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
Just commenting on my own post here to clarify/summarize: I personally don't have much of anything against fan fiction, I wouldn't mind it, though like most others here have said, I probably wouldn't read it (but then I almost never read fan fiction anyway - I'm just a canon kind of gal). I would, however, respect the wish of any author that discouraged fan fiction. Yes, it's ridiculous to sue someone if they're not doing something illegal (like plagiarizing for gain)... I would say "chill out" to that author...but I understand if they're just uncomfortable about their characters/worlds being used by others. *shrug* For me it's just a matter of offering the kind of respect that I myself would like to receive.

Date: 4/20/12 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com
I think fanfic and fanart are a tremendous compliment to any author, no matter what they may think of its content or quality. In fact, I started a Tumblr just to repost some of the fanart I'd seen of my books, and when I discovered just this past week that somebody had written fanfiction for one of my books I was positively gleeful about it.

(I didn't read it, though, because I think the author deserves the freedom to play in my sandbox on their own terms, without me looming over them making judgments about whether they're doing it right.)

Anyway, I've written great walloping wads of fanfic myself in the past, some of it in book-based fandoms like HP and Incarceron, so it would be pretty hypocritical of me to start whining about people writing stories based on my books.

Saundra Mitchell (author of The Vespertine and The Springsweet, both of which are wonderful) has an excellent post about fanfic from a pro author's perspective here: http://anywherebeyond.livejournal.com/441330.html (http://anywherebeyond.livejournal.com/441330.html)

Date: 4/20/12 07:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nebroadwe.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] kate_nepveu also wrote a very intelligent post (http://kate-nepveu.livejournal.com/481047.html) about the issue during the Diana Gabaldon kerfuffle two years back. Worth reading.

Date: 4/20/12 10:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msmcknittington.livejournal.com
I would be honored as anything if someone read some of my original fiction and decided to write fanfic for it. Super honored. It would be like a ticker tape parade, without having to go to the moon first. Of course, I probably wouldn't read any of it, but I'd be very pleased if anyone found my writing interesting enough to build on.

Date: 4/20/12 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayvara.livejournal.com
One of the comments had a comparison with the Mona Lisa about fanfiction. I guess I have my own comparison too, that sums up my opinion. Parodies of the Mona Lisa in no way affect the beauty and value of the original, or change that da Vinci painted it. Likewise, unless they are making money off of it, I do not see how fanfiction can ruin an author's work or infringe on their ownership of it. I understand why writers don't like fanfiction, but I dislike when they state that their "characters are [their] children", like George R.R. Martin did, because they have chosen to share their "children" with everyone else, and they cannot control what people think about these characters or how they perceive them. I feel writers should discourage fanfiction if they want, and voice their opinions, but I don't think they should sue unless they are losing money over it.
Personally, I like fanfiction and I can unashamedly say I've read a lot of it. Some of it is bad, some is great and I don't want to put limits on it. Even if it's OOC, so be it. I think it can be valuable writing experience and deepen one's understanding of characters, and it is also just fun. Sometimes, it's stupid, silly fun, but I think that is okay. I don't plan to become a published author, but if I did, I would certainly not discourage fanfiction of my works. I would never read any of it but I'd would be flattered.

Date: 4/20/12 11:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msmcknittington.livejournal.com
The "fictional characters as children" metaphor actually makes me a bit uncomfortable, because parents don't have total control of their children, not even babies. And I get a bit weirded out when writers start talking about their characters if they are real people who make decisions and have rights, as if they exist on some near tangible plane that the author has the only access to, and then demand complete and total control over those characters.

Overweening possessiveness makes me uncomfortable in general, though, and there's something icky about people trying to control other people who aren't hurting them or they people they are "hurting" are fictional and therefore incapable of actually being damaged.

I mean, don't get wrong -- I do get emotionally attached to my fictional characters and greatly dislike having to hurt them to move the story forward. I have one story that's stalled out because I've somehow managed to structure it so the main character's father has to be dead, barring some sort of miraculous deus ex machina, and it makes me TOO SAD to write it. But if I manage to finish it and it ends up published and someone writes fanfic of those characters where they're all crushed horribly by rocks and elephants and falling satellites and it is gruesome and awful? That in no way affects what I've written. My characters have not actually been maimed by random chunks of space crap. What other people do to fictional, never existed characters does not hurt me.

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Date: 4/21/12 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drashizu.livejournal.com
I can only imagine this being any sort of problem whatsoever for the copyright holder if the fanfic author is trying to make money or pass their fanfic off as a real sequel.

Otherwise, if it's similar enough to the original work to be questionable, the fact that fans read fic because they want more of the original means that fanfiction is basically serving as free advertising for the original author. As soon as they publish a new book, those fans will be all over it. I don't see how it could in any way be considered detrimental to the original "brand."

Of course, if the derivative is creative enough and good enough that it can compete with the original, it's probably protected parody or a transformative piece qualifying as fair use.

Besides, I don't see how it's realistic to expect to stop fanfiction from happening. I know "you can't stop it anyway" isn't a logically sound argument against fighting something you think is wrong, but seriously, if you wage war against your own fans and the culture they espouse and participate in creating, that doesn't sound to me like the way to attract more sales for your next book.

Date: 4/21/12 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
Thats it exactly! When you're getting angry at people because they love your books its kind of like.... not wanting them to love your books.

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Date: 4/21/12 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spunspider.livejournal.com
the way authors like GRRM talk about fanfic really pisses me off. it's so offensive and rude. fanficcers are literally keeping your work alive. even if you're still writing it, it's like – when GRRM says they're 'his children', when fanfic happens it's like he's given birth and the bit when they go off to do other, unknown, experimental, sometimes stupid and sometimes brilliant things is when they're alive and how they grow. i mean, come on. if you buy into reader-response theory, your text is only what it is to you to you; for every reader it's something else, a slightly different story, different characters, a different experience. once you're done with it i'm sorry but you cease to matter. /YOU/ are not the point.

if i can ever get my act together and manage to become a published writer i'm fully expecting fanficcers, many of whom will be far more talented than i am, to write fanfic. although i think it would probably be a mistake to read fanfic of your work while you're writing it.
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Date: 4/21/12 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
I totally agree. It's one thing to not like fanfiction and forbid the posting of it, it's another to be rude and scream at the writers about it. They are still your fans, and I believe an author should always treat their fans with respect.

Date: 4/21/12 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aged-crone.livejournal.com
I've written a few fanfics in my time - fixing the debacle that was Season 3 of Due South, for example - accompanied of course by disclaimers. Even one fun one borrowing our favorite book characters. And I'm mentally plotting, and will probably end up writing down, a couple of sequel-stories-or-scenes to Antonia Forest's books.

But if the person who created or owns the characters (not always the same thing, especially with tv shows, I gather) forbade me to post or publish them, then I wouldn't publish or post them. Nothing to stop me from thinking of them or writing them down, but I think they have a right to say how their own creations appear in public.

I loathe Jar Jar Binks, and am none too fond of the prequel Star Wars trilogy (why on *earth* would Amidala want to marry that whiny annoying adolescent?), but they're George Lucas'. If he wants to tell people to quite publishing fanfic, that's fine. Similarly, if an author whose books I like told me to knock it off, I'd respect his wishes.

Date: 4/21/12 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
First and foremost, I believe an author should have full control over their creative property and characters, so if an author forbad me to publicly post fanfiction, I would respect that. However, the point of FF is not to disrespect, remake an author's creative property, or somehow take credit for their work (if we were trying to do that, we wouldn't call it FANfiction), it's simply an element of fandom used to celebrate and expand on a work. Beyond being based on their work, FF has very little to do with the original author. It's all about the fans, the art, and the simple joy of sharing your creativity.

There's also the question of why FF writers write, and rarely do any of them write with the intention to train as a professional writer. They simply write for fun, fandom, and friends. :) And if doing so is in anyway "lazy," (a notion I don't agree with) then that's their business. Not to mention... under that same logic, Shakespeare was also a "lazy" writer for basing his plays on the writings of others.

TV writer John Rogers's (the creator of Leverage) opinion (http://www.psychfic.com/community/showthread.php?t=2347) on FF pretty much sums up my thoughts. One of my favorite things about him, is that he actually makes references to in-fandom FF pairings within the episodes he writes! He's so awesome. He's also very big on adding ship teases, for those who don't like the cannon parings.

Also, FYI: fandom is where is I get 80% of my recs from. If fandom is big and FF counts are high, that's a sign to me that this show or book is probably pretty good. I think a lot of authors fail to see how internet fandom can actually support their work by spreading the word; and the core substance of fandom is often fanfiction and fanart.
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Date: 4/21/12 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drashizu.livejournal.com
Very well said!

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Date: 4/21/12 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
I notice there hasn't been a whole lot of comment on fanart (which I personally am more interested in ;-), which authors don't seem to be very bothered about. I think fanfic is fine if you wanna read/write it, I'm just not that into it. Fanart, though, I'm really interested in. Authors generally seem to be as well.
And I'm wondering... why is that? I of course don't know. I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that, its different. Writing stories about the characters the author writes stories about is alot like what they do, so they kind of want you to back off--thats MY job thanks. But drawing pictures of characters you write stories about, thats not what they do, they're not selling it and therefore don't feel threatened by it.

And maybe also... don't take this wrong, but... alot of people THINK they can write, but not as many THINK they can draw. (I'm just remembering my "World of Childrens Publishing" class [best class EVER btw], where there were probably 7+ would-be authors to each illustrator.) So there are just more people out there who think they can write a fun story about someone elses character than people who think they can draw a good picture of someone elses character.

What do you guys think?

Date: 4/21/12 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aged-crone.livejournal.com
Well - perhaps because the authors who wrote the stories didn't illustrate them (and might not even like the artwork that the publisher assigned to their books?)

Maybe it would be different if, for example, somebody decided to re-draw the pictures for Where the Wild Things Are and utterly changes the way the author/artist envisioned them. I don't know.

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Date: 4/21/12 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thief-alchemist.livejournal.com
Whenever I read fanfic, no matter how well it's written, I can't get rid of the nagging in the back of my head that wont let me get into the story as i'm constantly comparing it to the original.

To be completely honest, I dislike fanfiction. I tried it, read some good ones, read some terrible ones, but in the end I found that I much prefer going back and re reading the actual book.

But, I don't agree with sueing someone unless they were selling their works or it was painfully obvious their story was based off a popular work, but they didn't want to admit it. I've read one of those, and never want to again.

In regards to the people who dislike fanfiction (including myself), I think that the old method of "if you don't like it, don't read it" is an excellent way to avoid problems. Although i've said I dislike fanfiction, it's because this discussion asked for opinions. I hate people who go to sites they don't like just to insult people, in this case just because they don't like fanfiction. Having said that, however, I'm not sure what I would think if people wrote fanfiction about something I had written... :S It's a difficult subject to look at from that point of view. Many things I haven't understood until It actually happened to me, so I think it can be very difficult to truly put yourself in the authors shoes. We look at it very objectively, but these books must be very important to them, and just because they are authors doesn't mean they can't be irrationally possessive...

I think the comparison to fanart is very interesting, I'd never even thought of fanart in the same frame as fanfic...

I hope that made even a little bit of sense. Obviously I will never become a writer, I'm terrible at explaining my thoughts... :P
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Date: 4/21/12 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksrgood4u.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you - If you don't like it, don't reaed it. And also, you're point about 'If you can't say anythin gnice, don't say anything at all. Nothing annoys me more in book reveiws then people who have to write these flaming reveiws. If you don't like something, you can still present what it is you dislike in a civil manner. Flaming reveiws are almost *never* helpful in deciding whether or not to read a book.

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Date: 4/21/12 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1221bookworm.livejournal.com
Interesting question, Leng!! :)

I think authors who attack their fans are really doing themselves a diservice. If they don't want FF of their work, politely ask people to not post it. Don't attack them as lazy. They are sharing their love of the series through imitation. And I understand that they can't read the FF's because of copyrights, but that doesn't make it bad. I don't like escarole, but that doesn't make it bad.

Fanfics don't neccesarily mean that the author left something out of the books, (though that could be the case, too. When Sherwood Smith first published Crown Duel and Court Duel as 2 books, there were scenes she had to leave out for space, though the Firebirds edition gave her enough space to put those scenes back in) But sometimes it's "what happens when the story ends?" The bad guys are defeated and the world is at peace, but the main characters have to pick up the pieces and put their lives back together. Or maybe they just have to move on, maybe start a family.

I personally don't like the ones that are like "What if A had happened instead of B?" (What if Alanna HAD gone to the convent, or married Jon, or my favorite - what if Alanna had married George and Jon had married Thayet and then, 20 years later, decide that they really wanted to marry each other and start having an affair?) But if that's what some people like to, then I have the option not to read that story.

I think fanart is different becuase everyone has a different idea of what people look like. And because they are an author and you are an artist, they don't feel threatened by you.

And you know what? You never know when an fanficer might have to step up to fill your shoes. When I was younger, my favorite series ever was the Boxcar Children. (When I stopped keeping track, there were about 100 regulars, and they had about 2 dozen "Special Editions") Gertrude Chandler Warner only wrote the first 18. After that, someone else wrote them, and each book just said "Created by Gertrude Chandler Warner." Those books were a huge success because, at the time they were written, they filled a gap in children's literature - kids having adventures in books that weren't too difficult to read. And I liked solving the mysteries.

Hopefully, lj doesn't choke on this comment ... I didn't realize how long it was....

Date: 4/21/12 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valiantarcher.livejournal.com
Mmhmm, I think part of it is that good books tend to raise questions. And you can answer those questions by a number of different ways, such as by discussion, by writing out long thought-out essays on the subject, or by writing what you think happened.
And then, yeah, there's always the possibility that the author just had to cut things out or has references to incidences that you're really curious about but wouldn't fit in the book.

And good point about the Boxcar Children! A similar thing happened with the Bobbsey Twins, Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, and tons of other older children's series (though, to be fair, at least ND and HB were ghost-written to start with, but that really doesn't count for all the spin-off series). Also, it seems to me that a number of tv shows and some films have had tons of spin-off books (Star Trek, CSI, Doctor Who, etc.), which I'm pretty sure are really fan fic. 'Sanctioned' fan fic, but still fan fic, sometimes addressing what-ifs and different settings and such.
Then again, I'm pretty convinced that some film adaptations are really just fan fic variants...

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Date: 4/22/12 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
I don't really see the difference between putting up a piece of fanfiction on the internet and putting up a "critical" essay. Both are responses to a work. One can see it particularly clearly in the case of series that are incomplete: how much difference is there really between "I think that when Sophos and Eddis find themselves together and have time to really talk about what happened in the library and the relationship they are going to have to have with the rulers of Attolia, they are going to find out that their different experiences make it not so easy to come to a consensus. Because Sophos has been a slave, he isn't going to be comfortable at all with having to acknowledge a superior, and Helen suspects that, and no matter how much he denies it, she knows he is refusing to acknowledge that part of his experience and the way it might be affecting him. But what Sophos would really be worried about is not so much his enslavement as what he did to Ion, and whether the fact that he is a king means that in punishing traitors he will always also be avenging personal injuries." and a fanfic that dispensed with the framing and the indirect reporting and explored the issue with narrative and dialogue? Is a self-insert "id-fic" doing something materially different from a long thread on Sounis in which we all squee about our favorite characters and our favorite details of MWT's world (I only use the Queen's Thief as an example because this is the community that I'm on. Mutate mutanda for any other fandom.)

I am with Plato: the problem with writing may be that authors have to send their books out into the world unable to speak back and defend themselves. And that's the nature of writing: once an author releases her book into the world, she can no longer control its reception or the reactions that people have or the responses that they come up with, or the ways in which they express those responses.

I respect the copyright that prevents fans from profitting or making commercial use of published characters and stories. But when I hear that an author is trying to forbid people from writing and posting fanfic, or that they are shocked and appalled that people are writing stories set in their worlds for their own entertainment, I lose a lot of my respect, at least in this respect, for those authors.

Date: 4/22/12 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inkasrain.livejournal.com
My position on this might be somewhat extreme, but... well, I don't really care. As I see it, an author who tries to prevent readers from creating (and yes, sharing) non-commercial fanworks is attempting to control the way in which those readers experience, absorb and integrate published stories into their lives.

In my opinion, that is its own crime.

Fanfiction is an incarnation of modern storytelling. Whether it is complimentary or critical of the original work, whether it fleshes out dim corners of stories or rearranges their angles completely, whether it awes with its insight or insults you its banality is completely irrelevant. Stories are not sacred fossils and readers are not blank pages on which authors can imprint Exactly What Happened And How You Should Think About It. The process of creating a fanwork is very similar to the process of absorbing an original work-- both are the business of being engaged in and celebrating fiction. If the former happens an active process which lends itself to the creation of communities, while the former is a more passive procedure experienced alone, I see no reason to praise one above the other-- or vilify the first in favor of the second.

So don't read fanfiction of your own work, dear authors. And don't hesitate to take action if a stray fanwork happens to exceed the all-but-universally accepted bounds of non-commerciality. But don't tell me how to experience what you have written, or how I may synthesize that experience into my own life; to those ends, your power--which I do dearly respect--simply does not extend.

Date: 4/22/12 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1221bookworm.livejournal.com
You are right about How I see it in my own head. It should be a compliment to the author that the characters have taken on a life of their own.

It reminds me of the discussions my sister and I have about books. In a well-written story, we might say "I can't believe he/she just did that *insert appropriate gasp moment here* " In another book, when a character made a statement completely out of character, we discuss that saying "I can't believe the author made him/her do/say that"

When the characters have their own life, a FF can be almost like a biography of events.

Hope that actually made sense ....

Date: 4/23/12 05:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think I'd be insulted mostly if fans subjected my characters to execrably written story lines (and fan fiction does tend to produce some of the most awful prose known to man, as well as some of the most sublime), or take characters that I created to share with the public, and make them do things contrary to my moral code.

Date: 4/23/12 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
I think I'd be thrilled.

This actually occurred to me the other day. I'm an aspiring writer (I just finished a degree in creative writing). The other day a friend told me she received a drawing of one of her characters, who appears in writing and roleplaying she has published online. It occurred to me I would be just tickled pink if someone sent me something like that. Then it occurred to me that I'd probably feel the same way about fanfiction. Imagine coming across people who have not only read what you wrote, but so loved it that they want to play in the world your words created in their head. That's just awesome.

Inkasrain pointed out above that creative fanworks aren't really different from any other response to writing, like a critical essay or a review. I have to agree. One of the reasons I loved A Very Potter Musical was because it was saying things (mostly ridiculous things) about something I really love. For instance it was so obviously paying homage to the friendship that's at the heart of the books, and also making fun of some of the sillier things. I mean, I love talking about things I really love, so if other people do it for me in an entertaining way, its just doubly great. And the guy who writes "Mark Reads" wrote a piece of fanfiction that perfectly sums up my feelings on the final epilogue in Harry Potter. And reading some fanfiction has been great for suggesting other ways of thinking about the things that happen offscreen.

That said I don't tend to read fanfiction much because it doesn't really satisfy my longing to get back into whatever fictional world... I tend to think of books as places and my re-reading is mostly motivated by desire to visit whatever place again. I can never convince myself that the fanfiction is "the real place", but if it's close enough it's sort of like being painfully teased with something I really want but don't have. :-P So I'm not really motivated to seek it out for that reason. But I do enjoy it if I think of it as illuminating what someone else thought about the original or making me imagine possibilities I wouldn't have on my own, about the original. I sometimes really enjoy it in that light. And since I've tried writing it lately, I've been seeing it in that way more and more because when you're writing you're obviously completely aware of the original and the ways you're extrapolating from it, it takes a lot of thinking about what makes the original itself and is actually a good way of investigating it. It's pretty different from responding to your own creative muse. And I mean, painters are encouraged to copy famous paintings in order to learn how to paint, it was the primary teaching method for hundreds of years.

I absolutely LOVE fanart, especially of places. I can understand why it's easier for authors to accept fan works in other mediums --like art, dramatizations, videos, and writing in mediums that are really different from the original (poetry say). It's harder to see it as imitation, "passing themselves off as me" rather than "a response to something I did". No one's trying to pass themselves off as you (unless they are, which would be wrong). People are responding to what you did. Philip Pullman talks about the democracy of reading...
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