Look under "Granched"

[vert-fey.livejournal.com]

Just wanted to greet the community before I started posting. I am a long time Thief fan *cough obessive cult leader cough and was so glad to find this site when trying to figure out what granched really meant (thus establish me as a truly nuts fangirl)
I wanted to give my great thanks to the people who posted the stories online. I own the hard cover of KoA rather than the soft-cover so ...no fun happiness. I'd looked obessively for the stories but hadn't been able to find them so....Be blessed in your endeavors!
Lastly, I emailed Megan about exactly how old Gen was exactly and she wouldn't tell me ;) However.... I think I've figured it out doing some very careful caculating, but I want to see if anyone knows officially.

Comments

[zumie-ashlen.livejournal.com]

Uh... around twenty? That's always how I pictured him anyway.

(I need to re-read them again)

[lilian-cho.livejournal.com]

Since he's younger than Attolia...I've pictured him as young as 15-16 =3

[pigrescuer.livejournal.com]

I think the general consensus is:

The Thief: 14/15
QoA: 15/16 - 17/18
KoA: 17/18

:)

My ideas changed over the years because when I was ten, 15 seemed really really old. Now it doesn't. ^_^

Also, welcome! Did you find the explanation of the word granched?

[dark_fishie]

I thought it was 18 in KoA for some reason. Now I have to re-read the series to find out why 18. Look what you made me do =P

[checkers65477.livejournal.com]

*thinks it's funny that if you search the Internet for granched you find us*

Welcome!

edited to add: I know there was some discussion about "granched" here but I couldn't find it under the vocabulary tag. I FAIL. Looks like it's out there in sounis oblivion somewhere.

[peggy-2.livejournal.com]

welcome! yay for obsessive cult leaders!

[ballet2nite.livejournal.com]

I thought in the Thief he was 12-13, because it says when he was ten, he had the big fight with his father and tore up the enrollment papers and vowed never to take a sword by the hilt, then when he got back to Eddis, Sophos spent his days telling anyone who would listen that Gen honorably retired that vow two years later. I don't know why, but I assumed it was two years between The Thief and the QoA, then two years passed during the QoA, where it says he spent two long years building up his defenses against her. Then I thought it was about a month between QoA and KoA and we know it was a bit over 98 days. So that brings us to about, 13+2+2+1= about 18 years old was my guess?

[kulai-raito.livejournal.com]

is it also a consensus that Attolia is in her early twenties??
Yup always thought Gen to be 18 in KoA. This site is as good a cult can be!
Welcome!

[ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com]

Welcome to Sounis!

I went ahead and found all that complicated math that tells us more about his age. This research was done by a user named silvermuse89, and clearly it took much patience.

"Eugenides would be ten when Eddis becomes queen. This is supported by MWT stating that Gen is ten in Thief! (at the beginning), and the line in QoA: "Her [Eddis'] two brothers had died of fever within the space of a few days and she had become the heir to Eddis. Within a few months, she had become queen..." (pg 39). Since the events in Thief! take place after Eddis' brothers have died, it makes sense to assume that Eugenides is ten at the time of her ascension to the throne.

His age when Eddis first becomes queen is also supported by the paragraph on page 38, where Eddis describes how she had to move him from the dormitories after his mother's death. Since Gen was ten when his mother died, it would make Eddis very young to be queen, considering that she is not much older than he is.

So how can one get Eugenides' age from that? On page 140 of QoA, the magus mention that: "Her [Eddis'] legal reforms have changed Eddis more in seven years than anyone would have thought possible when she took the throne." Thus, we know that Eddis has been ruling for at least seven years, possibly a little more than that since it would take time to implement her legal reforms. Therefore, Eugenides would be at least seventeen (probably closer to eighteen or nineteen) towards the end of QoA. This would make him around sixteen in the beginning of QoA and fifteen in The Thief."

This post was made quite some time ago. So now with the extra information provided in the Eddis short-story, we know that Helen is three to four years older than Eugendies. So she would have become queen when she was 14, and would be 21 by the times in "The Queen of Attolia" making Eugendies 18 in by the middles of "The Queen of Attolia". "The Queen of Attolia" covers two years so if it was about year or two between Thief and "The Queen of Attolia" we can safely infer that he was 15 or 16 in "The Thief". In "The King of Attolia" probably 19 or 20.

Sheesh, Mrs. Turner really makes us work for this stuff.

There is a whole search tag devoted to ages. So, you can look there for more information.

Hello vert fey!

[tiegirl.livejournal.com]

Welcome to the best comm on LJ (my opinion, you understand)! We have many cult leaders here! And I willingly follow. I will follow Gen anywhere! He doesn't even have to blow in my ear! (oops, most of you may be too young for that reference?)

curse you, tags!

[checkers65477.livejournal.com]

Yay, I finally found the old post. And I've added the "vocabulary" tag to it.

An explanation of granched. (http://community.livejournal.com/sounis/129928.html)

Gen's Age in the books

[(Anonymous)]

I've read and reread the books and my guess at his age is:
Thief - 16 or 17
Queen of Att. - 2 years go by within the book, so ages 17-19
King of Att. - 19 or 20
They refer to him as half-grown, but he is short and slender, which I imagine makes him look younger than his age. Eddis is 5 years older than him (snippet from the end of one of reprinted paperbacks says this), and Attolia would be 6 or 7 years older than him. Sophos I imagine is two years younger than Gen. I can't imagine Gen younger than 16 in Thief, not if Sophos thinks he's ready to be married. And for Gen to physically take on the Guards (in Thief), and Pol and the Magus at one point, I would imagine he would have to be somewhat close to a man's age.

Attolia's age (Irene)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feel like Irene/Attolia is 8 or 10 years older than him. I think closer to 6 or 7. She says at end of Q of A that she became queen at barely more than a child (I'm guessing 16) and has ruled for longer than Eddis (who's ruled for 7 years) so I think Gen was 19 or so when they married, and she was 25 or 26. I think the author's not saying the ages because if the ages are too weird the fans could be repulsed. We can all just put our on guess on how young he would have to be married to an older woman and not have it seem gross. :)
Attolia also thinks at one point that Eddis is only a few years older than Gen and she (herself) is only a few years older than Eddis.

Age of characters in Attolian garden scene

[(Anonymous)]

The books say that Gen's grandfather, the other Thief, took an interest in him after Gen's mother died. She died when he was ten, so I can't imagine Gen being younger than ten when he saw Irene in the garden at the Attolian Palace and he became enchanted with her. When he tells her he saw her there in QofA, she was guessing him to be age six, but I think she was mockingly exaggerating his youth, which she did constantly at the end of QofA.
LOVE THE BOOKS, WHENS THE NEXT ONE! We need to find Sophos and win against the Medes.