Discussion-y Discussions!

[elle-winters.livejournal.com]

It started with a post about some friendly competition during the YA Fantasy Showdown,
 
to which aspectabund said this:  He'd just like, catch it and throw it back harder and stick it right in her EYE!

http://community.livejournal.com/sounis/398470.html?thread=9934470#t9934470 (the orignal post and discussion)

and went on a tangent nicely into a discussion about Attolia and her infrequent smile, the real one, mind you not the scary "I'll eat your liver for breakfast" smile.

To which Jade suggested this side discussion deserves its own post. :-D

So this is what we gots: 
Aha! p. 375 in KoA she smiles at both Teleus and Gen.
Okay so: Gen, Teleus, (we know by infering Relius)
Am I making it up about Costis? (like when she calls him in her room to make sure Gen stays in bed....) maybe I'm making that up...And what about Sophos in CoKs? 
queen smiles at Costis when Gen calls him his watchdog.
Also Eddis. It's in QoA, a hesitant smile that makes Eddis think there's hope for Gen, around the polecat/vulpine exchange, right before the horse tosses his head like someone had twitched the bit in its mouth because SOMEBODY FORGOT GEN WAS IN THEIR MEGARON, LOCKED UP AWAY FROM EVERYONE ELSE.
Does her satisfied smile at Ornon count? After she offers Gen her wine cup and defuses the situation - something Ornon was unable to do? (p96)

So, so far we have: Goat Foot GEN, We Protect Our Queen TELEUS, Secret Almost-Lover RELIUS, Sweet Costis, and Just Awesome HELEN. And Possibly Sheep Lover Ornon.

Comments

[drashizu.livejournal.com]

Just Awesome Helen! I love the nicknames, Elle.

Eh, sorry I can't contribute more. I woke up too early this morning and did far too much walking.

[elle-winters.livejournal.com]

lol

she is, there's no other way to say it!



& lmaooo
icon love <3

[emerald-happy.livejournal.com]

THIS

IS

WIN

[tiegirl.livejournal.com]

A G R E E D

[checkers65477.livejournal.com]

Oh Oh! And isn't there something in either KoA of QoA where there's a flashback of Attolia talking to Relius, and he tells her to trust no one. And it says something like: she laughed--this was back when she still laughed sometimes--and says Not even you? And he replies Not even me.

It must be in QoA because it's so sad, and makes us start to reluctantly like Attolia, or at least feel sympathy for her and begin to understand why she is the way she is.

I like this discussion!

[brandy-painter.livejournal.com]

That is in KoA (p128 of paperback right after she has him arrested. She is thinking about this when she is in her room afterward. I LOVE this scene. It is incredibly heartbreaking. He was her mentor and she remembers him telling her not to trust him right after she has found out she can't anymore. This is followed directly by the reminder that he taught her that only through pain could she be sure of the truth.

[jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com]

oh God and that is when I started shipping onesided!Relius/Attolia LIKE BURNING.

because I have that image in my head of the two of them in her study and it's late at night and you've got flickering candlelight and she's all girlish and smiling up at him and he's all *flickering candlelight distorts his torn expression into one of stern solemnity but you can see feelings darting through his eyes* and and.

gah.

want.

[elle-winters.livejournal.com]

this needs a fic.



RIGHT NOW.

k? thnx,

love elle :)

[jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com]

p.s. I have seen that book like a thousand times and never actually picked it up is it good.

[checkers65477.livejournal.com]

I've been wanting to read the Princess and the Hound for ages, and my new library has it. So....I love retold fairy tales, they are probably my favorite things. And the first half was great, I couldn't put it down, then it started to get strange for me. I guessed the big secret right before the divulge, which is always fun, but some things just didn't make sense to me, and some things seemed to happen at the *wrong* time in the writing and one thing sort of creeped me out. I dunno. I'd like to read the sequel and loved the characters. LOVED George. I wasn't crazy about the style of writing, with short, simple sentences. I like a little more lyrical-type writing, I guess. This all sounds very meh, but it was much better than meh. I think the meh is me tonight.

[brandy-painter.livejournal.com]

Interestingly enough Attolia smiles at Gen a lot the first time she meets him in The Thief. And it is not her scary smile. It says "She smiled gently." She seems to be genuinely amused and friendly toward him all the way up until he tells her she is more beautiful but less kind than Eddis. That is when she breaks out the scary smile.

[tencups-i-swear.livejournal.com]

The scary smile is VERY scary.

[drashizu.livejournal.com]

That's true. I sort of get the impression that her personality wasn't entirely settled in the first book. Like, it works for The Thief, but when you compare it to the rest of the series, she's changed sort of inexplicably and it doesn't quite match. Maybe it's just me.

[freenarnian.livejournal.com]

Perhaps... she was younger then? And hadn't yet been insulted by a cute little thief boy with an outrageous smile?

[jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com]

Secret Almost-Lover RELIUS









brb fangirling this post forever

[velvetrose09.livejournal.com]

YES!!!


THIS.

HE LOVES HER. AND WELL...HE LOVES GEN TOO NOW

[aspectabund.livejournal.com]

SHE SMILES AT ALL DA BOIZ WHEN EUGENIDES AIN'T A-LOOKIN'!

[tiegirl.livejournal.com]

XD

[elle-winters.livejournal.com]

THAT'S WHY HE GOT RID OF DITE SO FAST, xD

and did she ever smile at Dite??? I'm sure when he was reading his poem
proposing to her...maybe he got a smile then?

[agh-4.livejournal.com]

THIS DISCUSSION IS SO DISCUSSION-Y AND GREAT!

I was lookin in KoA, and the only smile to Costis I could find was the watchdog one (on p. 303 of the paperback). Were you thinking of an additional time?

Hm. I haven't looked, but I don't think she's ever genuinely smiled at Sophos. He's still sort of in awe/very wary of her, and she doesn't seem to be His Biggest Fan. I hope they get to know each other better in future books.

Personally, I wouldn't count the Ornon smile. She probably has some respect for the ambassador, but I think it was more of a "haha!" moment.

[aspectabund.livejournal.com]

But she probably smiled when she heard Sophos pushed over Gen! That seems the sort of thing she would like. C:

[ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com]

Sophos seems to think of Irene as some sort of warrior-goddess. Ten men and a penknife.

*snicker*

Irene has yet to truly distinguish the differences between him and his uncle. I had thought I was at war with Sounis.

[charlotteslibrary.blogspot.com (from livejournal.com)]

It's funny how we still call Irene "Attolia." Helen gets to be Helen....at least sometimes, but I don't think anyone commenting above used "Irene."

I think there's a big difference between "Attolia" smiling, and Irene smiling, and I don't thing MWT has shown us enough of Irene for us to do more than specultate just how far the healing process of loving and being loved has gone. The more "Attolia" can smile in public, I think, the more Irene the person is alive and well, but I don't think that Attolia not smiling means Irene doesn't smile when she lets down her gaurd in private....

[charlotteslibrary.blogspot.com (from livejournal.com)]

blah--I went back and read more carefully, and there were a couple of "Irenes." Including one right before my comment. Sorry!

Irene Attolia, Helen Eddis Hmm...

[(Anonymous)]

Wow what a fantastic point, i never thought about that! There is a huge difference between Irene and Attolia while much less so bwt Helen and Eddis. Hmm.