KoA Section One - Read-along Week One!
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Prologue + Chapters 1-5 of The King of Attolia
There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.
Prologue
The prologue gives us four little snippets, each is Turner giving the reader hints about the main players in this book.
In the first Attolia waits for Attolis on their wedding night. We get a glimpse at the difficulty of their union, but also this: "Today she had yielded the sovereignty of her country to Eugenidies, who had given up everything he had ever hoped for, to be her king." And with that one line she reminds us that Eugenides never wanted to be king, as demonstrated in the final scene of Chapter 19 of QoA.
The second shows us Ornon's schadenfreude at the new king's "fetters". He seems almost sinister. In case you'd forgotten, Ornon almost succeeded in making Eugenides "safely dead" in Chapter 2 of QoA.
The third introduces us to Costis, a responsible guard whom the captain, Teleus, respects. They both believe the king to be "Attolia's most dangerous enemy." We find out later (Chapter 14) that Eugenides intended to "change the mind of the man next to {Teleus}." This is the first peek at their minds.
And the final tells us that Relius fears the king and wants to limit his powers. Which is ironic since the king doesn't want to rule and the king is the one who saves him from the queen's punishment.
Chapter 1 - Wait until your father gets home!
While Eugenedes and Costis wait for the Queen to come home from hunting to issue a punishment, we learn that Costis's best friend is Aristogiton called Aris and that Costic came from a land-owning (petronoi) farm family, but that Aris's family are landless okloi. We are introduced to Laecdomon (whom the king could do without) and Legarus the Awesomely Beautiful guard and Sejanus. We learn that the king is most unkingly in dress and manner and that he has not lost his ability to enrage people.
"He said the only thing worse than being wrong in a family argument was being right."
"You don't walk like a king, you don't stand like a king, you sit on the throne like...like a printer's apprentice in a wineshop."
Chapter 2 - Now you've done it!
The queen comes home, and the king neatly chains Costis to Teleus. Costis is volun-told to be the king's sparring partner, and Teleus agrees to start doing his job. When the king lets Costis see a glimpse of his real self, Costis thinks he's still dissembling.
"Unkingly, in so many ways, My King. Not the least of which is listening to your guard tell you so."
"A snake," repeated the queen.
"A black one. A friendly one."
"I didn't know, Your Majesty." It wasn't an excuse. It was an admission of failure.
"Were you lying?"
"I never lie," he said piously. "About what?"
Chapter 3 - Making your life miserable.
Teleus makes it clear that he expects better things from his men, even if he doesn't actually respect the king, and Costis skips his first sparring match (but not the second) and gets his first taste his new responsibilities. Aristogiton is pretty sure he delivered the note to release the hounds, the king continues to sneak about in his own palace (which no one realizes, even when they see him!), and Costis has not lost the respect of his fellow guards, which baffles him, and the king promotes him to lieutenant.
"So, so, so," said Aris, "at least my honor will be intact."
"Shall we begin with the first exercise?"
"Your guard is low," Eugenides said calmly...
"When breakfast was over, the king stepped around the table and bet to kiss his wife's cheek."
"I was listening," the king said, aggrieved. "I closed my eyes to listen better."
"What did you hear?"
"I'm not sure," he said. "That's why I was listening so closely..."
"Out on the steps, Costis stopped to look at the schedule. He stared at the sheet in consternation. The king hadn't needed to hang him; he would be dead of exhaustion within the month."
Chapter 4 - Keeping your life miserable.
Sejanus leads the pack in bullying the king, and the king picks on Costis in turn. Costis receives mysterious study guides. The king gets a lesson in wheat, makes a joke, and sits alone in his room.
"Sejanus liked his jokes. Costis was growing tired of them."
"Thank gods I didn't ask about fertilizer," he said.
Chapter 5 - Secrets.
This chapter is very long! Relius witnesses the king's reluctance to rule but misinterprets it. The king visits Artadorus in the middle of the night, and he, too, misinterprets it. Sejanus continues his quest to irritate the king, and the king does the same to Costis. Dite writes a song about the King's Wedding Night, the king loses his temper over it, and Costis earns a day off to recover. Ornon is no longer pleased that the king is not. The undersecretary for provisions to the navy nearly takes a very short trip to meet Eugenides's cousins, the queen offers the king some wine, and the king requests a dance instead. Eugenides tells Dite that the queen cried on her wedding night, which makes Dite his friend. Costis tells the king he would never reveal confidential information, then does so with both the queen and Baron Susa, and the valet tells him what he overheard Sejanus and Baron Erondites discussing in the baths. The assistant to the Ambassador from Eddis maneuvers Eugenides into building a bridge. Relius is arrested.
"Don't give up hope just because chances are slim."
"For the assassination or the heir, Your Majesty?" asked Costis.
"He wondered how the Attolians thought Eugenides had managed to become king if he was the idiot they assumed him to be. Perhaps because they had never seen him as the Thief, with his head thrown back and a glint in his eye that mad the hair on the back of a man's neck rise up... As a ten-year-old boy, the Thief of Eddis could stop a grown man in his tracks with a single look."
"Don't be afraid. Before I stole Hamiathes's Gift out from under your nose, these were the only dances I knew."
"I am not afraid," she said coldly."
"Good," said the king. "Neither am I."
"Spare me," said Attolia, "and my court, from dancing on the roof."
"It probably only works in Eddis."
"I would never stoop to revealing information I knew was private."
"Not even if you don't like the person whose privacy you are protecting?"
"Especially not then."
"Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of."
Closing thoughts:
If this book is Costis's Hero's Journey, Chapter 5 brings us to #6 TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. Everyone is being positioned for the main action. Relius's arrest is less important than his absolution later on. Costis is still only beginning to empathize with Eugenides, who is actively avoiding being the king. He would still much rather be the queen's husband and Thief.
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ot: scarily bad puns
Oct. 31st, 2014 06:14 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24609723@N08/sets/72157649000535776/
One could, of course, bring the whole discussion back on-topic & speculate about autumn equinox customs in the countries of the Sounis universe. I imagine a certain reluctant king would take particular glee in comparing certain attendants and advisors to scarecrows. Maybe Ornon's sheep were used to arrange an amusing seasonal tableau?
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Checkers made me do it.
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Without further ado:

If you're not sure how this humorous strangeness came about, read the comments in this thread. :)
I'm thinking of making more icons based on this video. So much material to work with! What do you think?
More Questions from "King of Attolia"
Apr. 22nd, 2013 08:54 pm![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png)
And its all King of Attolia, at this point. As I said, in a recent post, I've been re-reading the books.. again. And I realised that there were still questions that haunted me and I figured that since, they did for me, that they might for a few other people.
1. In a particular revealing dining scene with the Court of Attolia, After Eugenides offers to send the Erondites son back to his Cousins to question them on what happened with the water cache, and Attolia offers him her cup to drink; he asks for a dance and Attolia after hearing the beginnings of the one-handed Eddisian tune reverses her decision to dance... As he dances with her, and simultaneously takes out her hairpins.. from Phresine it is described as - "her Queen danced like a flame in the wind, and the mercurial king like the weight at the centre of the earth." The Queen then excuses herself and Gen returns to the throne, "looking smug". Elia murmured, "Well that was revealing" and Phresine says, "Only to those with eyes to see" and Ornon agrees.
All of this time, it would seem like they have their own ways of understanding each other and for the Queen relieving anger from the pressure getting to him by joking about drinking from her cup; Or even the King being with the Queen after Relius is arrested, just sitting there in stillness for her.
My question is this: What on earth was revealed during the dance? What on earth was going on?
P.S. I've been completely infatuated with the Queen's Thief series and (lets all admit it) Eugenides and its really nice to have this little community to be able to share our infatuations together. One day this will be a international box office hit and this will be the place to be on the interweb.
Hurricane Sandy
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As we prepare for Hurricane Sandy's impact, we hope that allowing her to blow out her frustrations on the Eastern seaboard will allow her to calm down, and perhaps begin to see Eugenides in a new, better light. (Or at least give him a few sand free days as she is busy elsewhere!!:)
( More Hurricane names ... )
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the whole thing is moist. The Greek recipe uses sheep."
Any time you get a thief mentioned with a sheep, you know it'll get our attention. Could that be why Ornon lost his sheep? So Gen could get stewed? [weg]
Discussion-y Discussions!
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to which aspectabund said this: He'd just like, catch it and throw it back harder and stick it right in her EYE!
http://community.livejournal.com/sounis/398470.html?thread=9934470#t9934470 (the orignal post and discussion)
and went on a tangent nicely into a discussion about Attolia and her infrequent smile, the real one, mind you not the scary "I'll eat your liver for breakfast" smile.
To which Jade suggested this side discussion deserves its own post. :-D
( More here... )
Ornon's sheep
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Koa Question:
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Reading from line: The queen waited.
Ending at line: Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of.
(page numbers from hardback edition)
General Thoughts/Questions:
We're on our third POV and I know it's been discussed before but thoughts again? I love the POV switches as I feel they lend depth to the stories. Can you imagine KoA from other perspectives?
Right off in the Prologue I'm struck by mwt's fantastic turns of phrase. Something as simple as "unsubstance" is really quite fantastic.
When do we get Ornon's book? :)
Was KoA the first in the series you read? If so, what were your initial thoughts on the characters? After reading the whole series? This was not the first I read and I've always wondered what I would have thought if it was the first in the series I came by.
( Detailed Thoughts/Questions )
I can't wait to see what interests everyone from the random stuff I posted and/or any other topics.
Questions!! I have QUESTIONS :D
Dec. 9th, 2009 08:15 pm![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png)
The Theif
1. Gen says something about how his father came into the library and asked him if he knew about Sounis's purposal to Eddis, and then MoW leaves, leaving a bag of coins on Gen's desk. The scene is pretty vague. Did MoW want Gen to go out and find the H-gift? Is this when MoW accepts that Gen is a theif?
2. Gen says the magus couldn't possibly have known if he had a sweetheart because he changed his records...does this allude the possiblity that he has? had a sweetheart/s that is? Its a stupid question, I mean I dont think he has, but I think it was possible that everyone in Eddis's court expected a courtship with the Queen's cousin Agape?
KoA
1. In the Theif and QoA Gen is pretty pissed about Sounis trying marry Eddis but in the King, Gen actually suggests it.(that Eddis marry Sounis) WHY?
Eddis also asks the Magus himself, her reasoning is because Gen is the KING of Attolia. Does that pose a threat to her?
2. Gen goes into the prison cell to see Relius
a. He shouts "I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT" is Gen messing with Teleus, or is he honestly upset?
b. Later when his Eddisian cousins come they ask "did he think that was the king of attolia talking" what do they mean? Did Gen say it out of anger, was it actually the Theif of Eddis talking?
c. Possible Relius and Attolia? (one sided of course)
Gen says to Relius 'you must hate her now' he seems pretty serious and almost hopeful (not sure exactly about the quote), was Gen actually hoping Relius would hate attolia?
in one scene he also kisses Attolia and laughs asking Rel if he's jealous (I'm assuming its because he gets to kiss the queen? but being Gen he kisses Rel on the head too :)
There is point when one of the Attolians brings up Gen's cousins and how they held him down in a catchet of water until he insulted his family...Ornon says something like "they didnt know how close to danger they had come"
would Gen actually have him executed? I dont think so, but then what possible danger could Gen have posed?
Oh and at the end of KOA Gen apologizes to Teleus for "what was done but not done well" or something like that...but I think he's done pretty well...so why apologize?
Gen's accents
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I was just remembering the 3rd book, when Kostis [upon whom be lots of happy emeralds ;)] noticed with shock that he had never noticed the king's accent sounding non-Attolian. Someone like Hugh Laurie can take on another accent and do it wonderfully well [the Gen-House connection is left as an exercise for the students], but even he gets a break now and then. I like being convivial and entertaining friends, but imagine having to be on-stage *all the time*, with a hostile audience, never being able to let down your guard, without anyone to ever relax completely with [he's still afraid of Irene] or even simply "talk right" with. Similar as the cultures are, still, the clothes, foods, smells, accents, are all bound to be different. In fact, judging by homesick friends I've heard living overseas, the more similar the culture, the more jarring the culture shock when they're *not like you*.
All this from the slender thread of one guard's belated realization. The more you pull on it, the more it unravels whole layers of feeling: loneliness, loss, betrayal, hope, etc. But then, good writers are like that. And mwt is undoubtedly a very good writer.
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Have at it.
And now for KoA...
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Now I'm going through KoA and coming up with some questions and comments:
( which you'll find here )
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Hi everyone
I was re-reading King of Attolia this weekend (and enjoying all of the discussions on the listserv) and had a couple of questions.
I couldn't find the word "granched" in the dictionary or on wiki (Gen threatens to have some attendants granched in KofA when they want him to stop climbing on the roof of the palace). I just had to define it for someone at work after telling them (jokingly) that I would him granched if he didn't turn in something to me by noon. I used to threaten to march him over to the zoo and feed them to the yak but this has since proved to be a hollow threat. Does anyone know where it's from? Is it French? We spent a fair amount of time this morning trying to figure out where it came from. He asked me where I heard it and I told him I read it somewhere...
Also, in my re-read, I am trying to figure out how much Ornon knew of Gen's plans for acting like a buffoon up front. Attolia seems to know what is going on but Ornon seems to be pretty nervous for a while that Gen is actually failing and there is that great scene where he's trying to glare at Gen at dinner and he wonders if The Thief is gone forever. What do people think?
Sam