Eddis, Attolia, Sounis

I agree, he wouldn't have killed her. Eddis later says that they could reach a treaty without a wedding--don't know how well it would have gone, but they might still have tried for it, sans marriage. It wasn't as though the marriage plan went perfectly either. :P

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he would've ...um, maybe he would...um ... then again...

I dunno.

Do you think he killed the guard guarding the stairway to the boat landing? Attolia thought he did.

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parron.livejournal.com

I think he may well have been forced to kill her. The priority was "ending the war," after all; killing/disabling the ruler is a tried-and-true method.

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Yes.

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Oops, you said he WOULD. I think he wouldn't.

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etv13.livejournal.com

And a related thing: in retrospect, does Attolia believe he would have killed her? I know she believed it at the time, but what about after he's persuaded her that he loves her? He's still terrified of her, even after they're married, but she never seems afraid of him.

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idiosyncreant.livejournal.com

I think Gen was calculating on a knowledge that Attolia would go for at least a semblance of co-operation for a better chance to escape. She looses her confidence as they go up the stairs and he proves himself quite capable of disarming her (in both senses of the word ;p) as well as in seeming control of the situation no matter what her tactic.

She wants her country to survive--she is both ruthless about it and self-sacrificial. I think he knows she'll either go through with it (his risk is that it will be without love) or determine how to get out of it.

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Well, the odds were certainly in Gen's favor, and no doubt he said it sure she'd agree, but all the same. What if she hadn't?

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No, he wouldn't have killed her. He could have done a million things with her. He could have taken her back to the Eddisians and had her locked up. I know Gen is a bit more ruthless by the end of QoA, but would he have gone so far as to kill the woman he loved? No way. He was bluffing - remember, he's amazingly talented at telling complicated lies and weaving intricate stories, and having everyone believe them until the moment the truth comes out. That's my take on it, anyway.

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I've never thought he'd have killed her, nor do I think he killed that guard. He hates killing people and only does it when forced to protect himself.

Not sure what he'd have done, though. Being Gen, he would have gone to plan B, then plan C, etc. He seems to usually plan things out very carefully ahead of time, though he admits sometimes his plans are abysmally stupid.

Gen knew how devoted to her country Attolia was. He knew her well enough to know she was very likely to go along with the marriage idea in order to protect Attolia. If she died, the country would fall into civil war and be attacked by Sounis. I wonder, did the idea of marriage to Eugenides--once she got over the shock of it--not seem so bad?

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see, I don't think he did.

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XD My whole theory for all my responses to this thread is that I will think differently every two or so minutes.

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So no one thinks he killed the guard but me. What did happen to the guard, then?

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Well, I guess my point in alignment with the question is that he wouldn't have put himself in that situation if he really would have to make the choice.

Seeing as he was in love with her despite being mutilated by her orders before her eyes, I'm pretty sure he could not have gone through with it.

He can worm his way out of anything, you know. x)

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Some clever plan, no doubt. Maybe it will come up in Book 4! *conspiritorial glance*

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He, uh... fell asleep.

I don't know, I'd bet Eugenides has the skillz required to knock someone out quickly.

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Book 4: Revenge of the Guard

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Exactly, he doesn't go around killing people just because it's convenient. But he had to make Attolia think that he would. He had to make her think that he killed that guard, because then she would believe that he would readily kill her. If he had just left him tied up or something, she would have seen it as a sign of weakness. He was totally playing her game, acting just like her, so that she would believe that he was ruthless.

I think the idea of marrying him didn't seem so bad. I mean, she was practically obsessed with him for the whole book. There were some pretty powerful feelings there, whether it was love or not. Plus, she certainly would have been subconsciously comparing Eugenides to that Mede (I'm not going to try and spell his name right now), and... come on. :P

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I'm thinking he would have knocked her unconscious. Like he did with the guard. I assume that he was fairly certain of her saying yes to the marriaging, and knowing her, he'd figure she'd try to escape. She wouldn't be able to escape very much when she was drowned, so marriage it is! Plus there's all that despair that would have gone on in the country of Attolia, and we all know that Queen Attolia loves her country.

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absolutely not. he hates killing people. he wouldn't have killed the guard. later we found out he couldn't kill someone he should have. I can't remember who.

and he at least half-expected to die by Attolia's hand. When they surfaced someone said "he said he wouldn't be here."

I lent my copies so I can't look at them for reference D: D:

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When they surfaced someone said "he said he wouldn't be here."

I always thought that referred to MoW - Gen's dad couldn't face meeting the future daughter-in-law at that time.

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