I need help again!!!

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Ok, Gen is part of the royal family of Eddis, right? Is it on his mother's side or his father's side (or both)? I just can't remember if the Thieves were related to the sovereigns or what.

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[openedlocket.livejournal.com]

Wow another fic?

Ok I believe that Gen is Helen's cousin on the father's side. MoW was the brother of the past Eddis (according to what I gathered from the Thief short story).

I think you should check with the other Sounisians just in case, or the Thief short story.

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Ok, that'll work.

Sort of.

Man, I REALLY need my copy of TT back. This is killing me coming up with all these ideas and then not being able to find the answers to all my questions. *pulls out hair* I may just have to check out a copy from work (I work at a bookstore) so I can check myself.

And the Thief was just a random person who went and stole the Gift? Was that it? But did it become hereditary at some point and kind of pointless, like it'd been a while since someone had stolen the Gift before Gen?

I REALLY NEED THAT BOOK BACK!!!

[openedlocket.livejournal.com]

Actually...if I remember correctly it was a random person many centuries before but then the Gift got lost and the title became hereditary, so Gen's desendants passed it on, father to son. And then MoW married the Thief's daughter and they had Gen...THE AWESOMEST QUEEN'S THIEF EVAH.

*clears throat*

Not that the others weren't awesome, of course...

[ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com]

We had a discussion about that...

http://community.livejournal.com/sounis/230368.html

This is where the "mad ninja skillz" first came up, too.

[openedlocket.livejournal.com]

Nice...yay for all the Thieves of Eddis with their awesome MAD NINJA SKILLZ!!!

[sandtree.livejournal.com]

I think he's related on both sides. I think. Don't quote me on that, because my books are at my dad's, so I can't check and make sure. I would be slightly surprised if he weren't related on both sides, given the small population of Eddis, and the fact that royals like to marry their cousins.

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. I'm just working on a little fic and I know it would help me to understand how they're related to the royal family (Gen's parents, that is).

[shimotsuki.livejournal.com]

Gen's father is Helen's uncle, and after Gen wallops Teleus at the end of KoA he says something along these lines (pardon the paraphrase): "Like every man, I had two grandfathers. One of mine was Eddis."

So I conclude from this that Gen's father and Helen's father (who preceded her as sovereign and therefore was most likely the son of the king before that) were brothers.

I'm not sure if Gen's mother was part of the royal family at all before her marriage. If she wasn't, that might explain why so many of Gen's uncles and cousins and so on seem to disdain her -- I think there was something at the end of TT about Gen's relatives suddenly deciding he was something like his father after all.

On the other hand, a lot of the court of Eddis seems to be interrelated, so Gen's mother may have been connected somewhere, too!

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Ok. Thanks for explaining.

Also, I just wanted you to know that this little quandary is your fault. Your latest fic has inspired me to write about Gen's parents. *gives you a mean stare but is really actually liking this plot bunny*

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Also, that's really interesting-now that I'm thinking about it-that Helen inherited the kingship (or queenship in her case, lol), when the king had a brother still living. An obviously awesome brother *MoW love*. Hm. I don't know. Maybe it's not that strange, but it just seems strange to me. Also, I haven't read that little story about baby!Helen getting visited by the gods in a while, so maybe something is said or hinted about there.

[shimotsuki.livejournal.com]

Your latest fic has inspired me to write about Gen's parents. *gives you a mean stare but is really actually liking this plot bunny*

Oh, good! I think they deserve lots more fic -- they are so interesting.

(Thank you for your lovely comment, by the way; I'm working my way through responses.)

Also, that's really interesting-now that I'm thinking about it-that Helen inherited the kingship (or queenship in her case, lol), when the king had a brother still living.

That is interesting -- I think it's usual for the child of a king to have precedence over the brother of a king. But that might conceivably only apply to children who are sons; it is interesting that Helen still had precedence over her male relatives. (The kingdom of Eddis is totally the best country on the peninsula. I am so convinced of this.)

...On the other hand, I am now wondering why Sophos, and not his father, who is the king's brother, is the heir of Sounis. Unless the king specifically designated him as such, deliberately skipping over Sophos's father? Hunh.

There is definitely a scene in TT where the magus is quizzing his apprentices about how succession works in Eddis, and I think Ambiades compares it to how things work in Sounis. Maybe there are relevant details there? I'm away from my books at the moment.

[openedlocket.livejournal.com]

Hmmm I believe that sometimes kings purposely skip over their closer relatives to make sure that the next heir is completely under his control and that his work will be continued the way the present king wants it to be. The king's brother may have another agenda or opinions that vary from Sounis's so he got an heir who he could almost certainly influence.

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

You're probably right. I guess I'm thinking of greedy brothers who would try to grab the power for themselves either by taking the throne or just controlling their young nephews/nieces. Not that our beloved MoW would do that, but I'm sure it's happened before in real life.

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

I think it's usual for the child of a king to have precedence over the brother of a king. But that might conceivably only apply to children who are sons;
That's kinda what I was thinking. But all of Helen's brothers die anyway, so I guess that's how that works.

There is definitely a scene in TT where the magus is quizzing his apprentices about how succession works in Eddis, and I think Ambiades compares it to how things work in Sounis. Maybe there are relevant details there? I'm away from my books at the moment.
Ack! Another reason I need my book back. I have got to re-read this series. There is so much to take in and it's the kind of books where you'll see a little deeper and catch something else you missed that last go 'round.

That is very neat. What we really need is A Complete History of Eddis, Attolia, and Sounis. XD

[ballet2nite.livejournal.com]

In the short story THIEF!, one of Gen's cousins, the one that had the earrings stolen, made a comment that said the MoW could have been king if he hadn't married so far below him. And that's why Gen stole the earrings. Something to to do with who he married, I'm not exactly sure what.

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

Oh, I do remember that now. Ok. Hm.

Wow. That's neat that the Thieves are looked down on so much, even though they are/were a long time ago so important to the throne. I guess people just snub the fact that their king is indebted to a peasant. IDK.

Thanks for reminding me of that. That's an important tidbit.

[shimotsuki.livejournal.com]

People keep talking about this short story! DO you know if it's available online anywhere? It sounds like it contains essential background information on Gen's family.

[thelasteddis.livejournal.com]

I've noticed that pattern in a lot of places - I think that the closer relatives just get skipped over in places. For example, Helen is the ruler of Eddis instead of MoW, Sophos is heir to Sounis instead of his father, and Gen's nephews could become the next thief, but not his brothers (mentioned by Irene in QoA).

[crazededdisian.livejournal.com]

Have you guys ever discussed who could be the Thief of Eddis before? I mean, we all know...
A. If you successfully stole Hamiathes' Gift and your chosen candidate was crowned Eddis(/Eddia?) and you are still alive to tell the tale, you are the Thief of Eddis. (For a female ruler, you would be thee Thief of Eddia, right?)

B. If your mother/father was the Thief, and no one has restolen the Gift, after he/she dies, you or one of your siblings may become Thief.

So, the title is hereditary and anyone(who has stolen the Gift) can be the Thief.(prettymuch)

If Gen's mother was going to be the next Thief, how come one of his sisters can't be? Is it something to do with Gen being the Thief?

Give me more time and I'll think up more questions and facts... If one of you wants to make a post with this, go ahead! (I won't be around for the next week so feel free)

[crazededdisian.livejournal.com]

I apologize for going so off-topic!

[styromgalleries.livejournal.com]

A. I have no idea if this is true or not, but I get the feeling that the name of the country doesn't change with the ruler being male or female. I know Eddis matches Eddis and Attolia matches Attolia, but we call Gen (Attolis) the King of Attolia. So I would assume that the name of the country itself is the same regardless of the gender of the sovereign.

B. I guess since it's lifelong and there's not a Gift to steal anymore, maybe that's why no else will/can be Thief while Gen is still alive. This is just speculation, of course.

P.S. Don't apologize for being off-topic. Did you see the random comment war I had with openedlocket? XD That had nothing to do with the post, but it was fun nonetheless.

[openedlocket.livejournal.com]

*bows* Thank you, thank you very much. For once Twilight actually came through for me :p. Attolia isn't mad at me anymore either...I think.

[tiegirl.livejournal.com]

Don't have my book, so not sure, but I think Gen said that his mom was called "Queen Thief" because she stole so many hearts,not Queen's Thief. She wasn't next in line to be Thief. Can anyone corroborate that?

[shimotsuki.livejournal.com]

Don't have my book, either... but I'm pretty sure the reason why she wasn't called Queen's Thief was specifically that her father was the official Thief until after she died -- she never had a chance to succeed to the position.

[katewaits.livejournal.com]

You're right. She was called the "Queen Thief" because she stole everyone's heart -- I think. But she also stole their jewelry as well if they crossed her. Like someone else we know. ;^)