[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
I'm reading Rule of Wolves by Leigh Bardugo, and she's a fan of MWT, right? So when I read the following...

(Wolves spoilers under the cut)
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[identity profile] ladyadeone.livejournal.com
Hi everybody! I've been kind of a lurker for several years - I made a comment or two here or there but I think this is my first post! Thanks for being such a great fandom, it's been a pleasure lurking among you. ;)

  There have been a couple of brief discussions about MWT's habit of hiding quotes, items, and other allusions to her favorite authors inside her books. I'm particularly interested in her references to Rosemary Sutcliff, another of my favorite authers. Sutcliff "Easter eggs" (if you will) are discussed in this post from 2010 (and possibly in one or two other places). However, I haven't seen anyone mention Sutcliff allusions in TaT, so I wanted to make a post to mention those as well as hopefully corral all other allusions to this author hidden in MWT's work.

  So, without further preamble, here are the ones I'm aware of:

1. The dolphin signet ring in The Thief is probably the most obvious and well-known. Too bad Gen doesn't seem to have kept it.

2. Someone said the moment when Gen pours water on the dead soldier's uniform after that skirmish in the river (again in Thief), to get rid of the dry spot shaped like a leaf, is from a Sutcliff story. I don't think I've seen it though, so can anyone fill in which book that's from?

3. Costis ruminates on the suicide options represented by his fibula pins - a reference to Mark of the Horse Lord in KoA. I think there's a similar moment in another of Sutcliff's books? Minus the actual death though?
EDIT: Found another almost direct quote source in Frontier Wolf: "Two inches in the right place is enough, they teach you". Not minus death though....

4. Thick as Thieves, pg. 161, Costis tells Kamet that their pursuers "skylighted themselves, probably on purpose" on the slope above. This immediately made me think of the careful avoidance of just that mistake in Frontier Wolf (though Sutcliff calls it getting "skylined").

5. TaT pg. 215, Costis sings a "song about about a girl a soldier left behind" while tinning the farmers' pan. In The Eagle of the Ninth, a soldier (also in disguise, by the way) sings about "the girl I kissed at Clusium/Kissed and left at Clusium".

 That's all I've got, notice there's nothing yet for QoA or aCoK. Any additions? Is that last one too tenuous?
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Barnes & Noble's teen blog includes a review of Thick As Thieves, along with an interview with Megan from the recent meetup near DC. The review is filled with spoilers, so only click on the link if you want to see all that.

Review link--Here There Be Spoilers!

For everyone else, I'm including the interview for those who don't want to be spoiled. It was written by Jenny Kawecki, who may be one of our own, who knows? The only spoiler it includes is the name of the person who narrates TaT, which most of us already know.

Interview is here... )
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
I was looking for some quotes for a project I'm working on and came across this:

“Where there's life there's hope.”
J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

What do you all think? I've seen this line in other books but have never been able to come across where it originated.
[identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
At the beginning of Costis' first interview with Eugenides, he is reminded by the king's neat flip of cups into the air that not only did he attack the king whom he swore to defend, but he punched a man who was not capable of punching back:
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[identity profile] shelver506.livejournal.com
QT is such a quotable series. It's insanely quotable. Not only is it funny, but it's also twisty and thought-provoking. 

Tomorrow (Tuesday) I'm posting a top 10 list of my favorite romantic couples, and with each couple I put a swoony quote from their books. Gen and Irene made the list, of course, but I had such a hard time picking just one quote. I ended up going with the closing lines fro The Queen of Attolia, but I couldn't get the others out of my head.

For example, I ADORE the entire scene in KoA where Gen is injured by the assassins. One quote from there that pops into my head regularly is when they find out how deeply injured Gen actually was. It made Costis wonder for the first time just how much the stoic man really wants to hide when he unsuccessfully pretends not to be in pain.

I also like it when Irene watches him get stitches and faints. 'The queen!' someone shouted in alarm, and the king erupted like a wild animal caught in a snare.

And lastly, the best part of the scene, in my opinion: On the bed, Eugenides stirred restlessly. "Upset at the sight of blood?" he said. "Not my wife, Ornon."

"Your blood," the ambassador pointed out.

Eugenides glanced at the hook on his arm and conceded the point. "Yes," he said. He seemed lost in memory. The room was quiet.



That's just one scene! I could go on, but I'd rather give you all the chance instead. :)
[identity profile] sandtree.livejournal.com
Hi all,

I hope this isn't too off topic, but I know you guys are the ones to ask. I'm currently re-reading Howl's Moving Castle. I hadn't read it since the first time I did back when I was 18, and had forgotten how awesome it is. Now I find myself wanting to read another Diana Wynne Jones book. I'm wondering which you'd recommend to begin with? Thanks, folks!

EDIT: Oh my gosh! Thanks so much, everyone! I won't bore you by trying to respond to each comment individually, but if anyone else has suggestions, keep them coming. My reading list is now a lot longer than I thought it would be. :)
[identity profile] m-chant.livejournal.com
I've always thought that Gen's "So, so, so" was an idiosyncrasy invented by MWT.
I just came across the exact phrase in Act 5, Scene 1 of The Tempest. Does anyone know if this series of so's is or was common? I'd never heard or read it before until QT. Or do you think she's quoting Prospero?
[identity profile] lizzyazula.livejournal.com
It may be just because he's a slave with blond hair, but the first time I saw this trailer I immediately thought of Sophos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_cYUGpAoJw
Picture here )
[identity profile] teenareena.livejournal.com
Hi all,

I've just got my copy of Howl's Moving Castle back from my friend and it kinda triggered something MWT mentioned in the extra of The Thief (the recent Harper Collins paperback edition).

If I remembered it correctly, she said she loved to allude to her favourite books and there's an object from some book I can't remember the name and a whole sentence (?) from Howl's.

Has any clever Sounisian ever find it or any other allusion to other books MWT listed in that extra?

Or should we all grab those books and start a Sounisian scavenger hunt?
[identity profile] tenar-padmire.livejournal.com
So I was searching for arcs of CoK when I came up with the Dedication page which said, "This book is gratefully dedicated to Dianna Wynne Jones." Imagine my squeal when I found out that my two favorite authors honor each other.
[identity profile] drashizu.livejournal.com
I'm a little late for people on the East coast or most other continents, but I just thought I'd remind everyone that we are now in the home stretch. Today is the 21st of February, which is a short month with only 28 days in it. Unless I forgot about a leap day somewhere... No, I don't think I did. That being the case, I think it's safe to say we're officially just 1 month away from Conspiracy of Kings. (28 + 2 = 30 which is my idea of a standard month.) Anyone else want to have a squee fest with me?

I admit, I've gone back to the HarperCollins site to reread the first few teaser chapters of CofK in elated celebration. More than once. And I have ordered a shirt online, which should be delivered any day now... It looks like this. Obsessed, you say? Why, thank you! I would have put more words on it but my budget was kind of prohibitive. And I hope that link worked, if not I can post a picture.
[identity profile] elvenjaneite.livejournal.com
When I woke up this morning, one of the first coherent thoughts in my head was, "Whatever happened to that emerald ring Gen finds in The Thief?" I don't believe it's ever mentioned again. I almost wondered if he dedicated it to Eugenides or something. On the other hand, it would be really cool if at some point in future books he whips it out for some reason and we all give a collective squee of geekery. Any other theories?

Although it's kind of worrisome that this was one of my first coherent thoughts, I was also reading one of the Rosemary Sutcliff books where said ring features (Frontier Wolf *sniff*) recently, so it's not entirely random.


Also, in a side note, thank you so much to everyone who mentioned Elizabeth Wein's books in recommendation threads. I just finished the Mark of Solomon sequence last night and am in that gooey state of book love, where I am reduced to something much like a chocolate chip cookie just out of the oven.
[identity profile] gauroth.livejournal.com
'Eponymous' means 'having the same name as' rather like the Scottish phrase 'of that ilk' - so Anderson of that ilk means Anderson of (clan) Anderson. The rest under a cut in case of spoilers.

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Happy New Year, Sounisians!
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
     So...

     Today I went to a bookstore (like that's anything strange), and when I walked by the Newberry Honor shelf I (for the first time in my life) saw "The Thief" there. I was very happy.

     So, I took a closer look at some of the extras in the back. On Mrs. Turner's list of favorite books, I noticed one by Peter Dickinson called "The Dancing Bear."

     Note this quote...

"...why he always had the part of the dancing bear." p36 of "The Queen of Attolia" (softcover)

     I wonder if Mrs. Turner is tributing Dickinson's novel with this quote.

     Opinions?
[identity profile] lipton-tea.livejournal.com
Hullo everyone,

I've been ghosting on this community for a ridiculously long time and figured I should finally introduce myself. I am currently in college studying linguistics and (to a lesser degree) Latin and Ancient Greek. Finding the word Basileus ('king' in Ancient Greek) in my Greek book this semester totally blew me away! That is one of the things I love about Megan Whalen Turner's writing: being able to tease out the historical parallels and also how she weaves them so seamlessly into a fictitious, but believable, setting.

My conversion to this fandom was rather slow. I read the Thief sometime around the first half of highschool, I think. I very much enjoyed it, but wasn't yet hooked. A couple years later I read QoA and liked it even better, so much so, in fact,  that when I saw KoA in the bookstore I snapped it up right away. And that is when I truly fell in love with the series (that was last spring). I must admit that Costis is now my favorite character, though all her characters are wonderful (even the villains). And I nearly fell off my bed when I read the line from Sutcliff's Mark of the Horse Lord in KoA!  I couldn't believe my eyes, but I was very glad that Costis' path diverged from that of Phaedrus/Midir. I just reread the series this semester (they provided a welcome reprieve from my despotic phonetics class) and one of my goals was to find the Rosemary Sutcliff references...I found the once about the emerald signet ring in the Thief, but could not find a reference in QoA. All the more reason to reread them!

I look forward to actually being active in this group just as soon as I get my life back (week and a half to go!). You really have an awesome community here.
[identity profile] kilerkki.livejournal.com
I have just realized again how brilliant MWT is, and how very, very, very much I love Costis.

I loved him before, of course. But I have just finished reading Rosemary Sutcliff's brilliant book The Mark of the Horse Lord, and found another of MWT's tributes to Sutcliff's incredible work.

From The Mark of the Horse Lord, page 281:

They had taken his dirk, of course--odd that no one ever thought of a brooch with a pin as thick as a corn stalk and longer than a man's forefinger as a weapon, even in a camp of the Eagles where they learned, just as one did in the Gladiators' School, that two inches in the right place were enough.

From The King of Attolia. page 2:

They had left his cloak pins, his plain everyday one and his fancy one with the amber bead. He had been a little surprised. His good pin was fibula-shaped with a shaft four inches long and as thick as a cornstalk. It would be as effective as a sword, if Costis chose to use it. Even the smaller pin would do; two inches in the right place was all it took.

I adored MWT's use of the flawed emerald dolphin-ring in The Thief (from Sutcliff's The Eagle of the Ninth and The Lantern-Bearers). But somehow this homage is all the more poignant, because I love Phaedrus the Gladiator and Sutcliff's writing beyond all reason. And though I love Costis dearly for his own sake, when I see him as Phaedrus's literary descendant, I love him just that little bit more.

If you love MWT's books, you owe it to yourself to read Rosemary Sutcliff's.
[identity profile] rowana.livejournal.com
I know everyone on this forum would do a lot to get a signed copy of The King of Attolia. Well, *points to post below*. Megan's promised the first person to find the Rosemary Sutcliff quote that appears in The King of Attolia a signed copy.

At 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time tomorrow (as far as I know) she'll be posting what is apparently a pretty telling hint about the changes she made to Rosemary Sutcliff's words. To the extent that the first person to read her comment will probably get the prize.

So this is just to make sure everyone knows to hang out at that thread tomorrow at 5pm EST if you want to read what the changes were, and guess the quote. Good luck everyone! :)

--Ro
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Time for a contest! Remember our discussion about the quote from Howl's Moving Castle that's in both The Thief and King of Attolia? And the ring from Eagle of the Ninth that shows up on Gen's thumb in The Thief?

Megan asked me to post this for all.

Have you found the Rosemary Sutcliff quote in King of Attolia?

She gave us one hint and a great motivator:

"not eagle of the ninth. tell fabricalchemist
to start looking. i'll send a signed copy of the king to the
first person who finds it."

Edit: Find the exact quote and post it here. No emails!

Pull out your Sutcliffs and read!
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
I went to the book store for a meeting and came out with copies of The Thief and QoA with their lovely new covers. And in the author notes in the back of Thief, MWT says that she likes to read anything by Diana Wynne Jones.

Then, she says that she put a direct quote from Howl's Moving Castle into The Thief as a tribute to DWJ's work. Isn't that awesome?

Cyberchocolate to the one who can spot it and report back to us!

Ok, I've added another challenge down in the comments. )
However, why do I get the feeling that you-know-who will know the answer? And no, I don't mean Lord Voldemort.

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