[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Time for our next chat, where we'll discuss Thick As Thieves. Come discuss the Bromance of "The Attolian" and Kamet, Gen as a Kitchen Boy, and yet another dead dog.

The chat will be on Sunday September 27 at these times:

4pm Pacific Time
5pm Mountain Time
6pm Central Time
7pm Eastern Time


And 1:00 AM for [livejournal.com profile] laserpe .  LOL.

Check the World Clock for more time zones.

Chats will take place in the Conspiracy Room. Password is HERE. All are welcome, but you have to be a member of the community to access the password.
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Welcome to section two of the Thick as Thieves community wide re-read. This week we’re covering chapters 4-6 (p86-181), that’s from lines: “We were more than halfway to Perf.” to “I dropped beside him.” All page numbers are from the 2017 hardcover edition.

If you were starting to get bored of Costis’s and Kamet's caravan jaunt through the desert, hang in there, because things are about to get dicey.

First a summary... )


Section Two Discussion )


Next week we will be covering chapters 7-10 and [livejournal.com profile] whataliethatwas will be your lead. Happy reading!

[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com

Welcome to Week One of our Thick As Thieves reread! This week we’ll discuss Chapters 1 through 3, pages 1 - 85 in the hardback edition.

[livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen said we can structure this however we want, so I decided to break it into the elements I like most to consider when I’m reading one of Megan’s books. For TaT, those would include an important theme, the hints and tricks that Megan lays out for us, the humor in the book, the growth of the main character(s), and the stories/poems. Add your comments and let’s start a discussion!


Numbers in parenthesis refer to page numbers in the American hardback edition.

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[identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com
We readers learned, at the end of Thick as Thieves (TaT), the real reason why Gen stole Kamet from Nahuseresh: 

“It wasn’t spite or friendship,” I said, glancing sideways at the king…. This was why I had been brought from the Empire, and this was why the Namreen had hunted us so relentlessly.  Not because Nahuseresh had been murdered, but because the emperor feared I could tell the king of Attolia where he was hiding his navy.” (TaT)

Just as, at the end of The King of Attolia (KoA) we found out the real reason why Gen decided to interfere with young Costis’s life.  Not spite, and not black humor, as Costis had thought throughout the book.  Policy.

“Sometimes, if you want to change a man’s mind, you change the mind of the man next to him first…. Archimedes said that if you gave him a lever long enough, he could move the world.  I needed to move the Guard.  I needed to move you [Teleus].” (KoA, p. 381)

Gen said this, so it must be true.  Right?  In the denouement, no less.  It’s not like Gen ever is known to state untruths or partial truths, or Turner to mislead her readers. 
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[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
We're re-read Thick as Thieves here on [livejournal.com profile] sounis this month to celebrate the first anniversary of its release. Click HERE for the reading schedule and more info on how you can participate.

This week we're reading CHAPTERS 1-3 (p1-85)* 85 pages total or approximately the first 2 hours and 10 minutes of the audio narration if you're listening.

Revist Kamet's aquaphobia, Costis speaking Mede like an over-sized child, Laela's deceptive pallor, escaping the Namreen on a slow moving river boat that's on fire, and Kamet as an apathetic caravan guard.

This particular re-read will be a little more interactive, as we're asking each participant to make their own post each week for discussing the book(s) rather then follow a lead. Feel free to also use the comment section of this post to discuss. If you don't have anything to say one particular week, just skip on to the next.

In case you wanted to revist the initial TaT discussions from 2017, you can find that HERE.

Happy reading!

*page numbers are from the 2017 hardcover edition.

[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
Remember that mysterious line from KoA that we investigated HERE and HERE?

“I hope you know that I could once jump from the palace to those roofs over there.” He eyed the empty space below him and said sadly, “If I tried now, I’d probably eviscerate myself when I landed. But it does give me an idea for what to do with you.” - The King of Attolia p335 (2017 paperback edition)

Mystery Solved! )

[identity profile] 11rod88staff11.livejournal.com
MWT saw the hegemonic patriarchal, traditionally binary stories of old and flipped them around upon their heads. Saw duality and gave us the spectrum of all infinite possibility and Oneness in its place:

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[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
So, Checkers and I felt we were getting a tad disorganized with our discussions of TaT and overwhelming ourselves, so here's a little order in the chaos. Below are all current Sounis spoiler-y threads for discussing TaT. I will add new ones as we go along. Feel free to start your own thread. Just remember to hide spoilers under an LJ-cut with a clear warning.

This thread will remain "sticky" (at the top) for a few weeks or so, giving everyone a chance to read the book and comment.


SPOILERS! LOOK AWAY! )


[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
My thoughts upon finishing Thick as Thieves. (A few of them, anyway.) Somewhat jumbled, many still processing. Numbered, in an attempt to organize them for discussion. Posting them here since the other threads are so lengthy already!

Spoilers under the cut!
Read more... (you heard me say SPOILERS, right?) )
[identity profile] ibmiller.livejournal.com
Section notes - from "The long summer's day was ending" to "He is an Annux, a king of kings."

In today's post, I'm going to pose two questions about all the chapters, and then a unique question for each chapter. I will then answer each of the questions with my own answers, and hope they're interesting enough to provoke discussion!

Questions for all four chapters:

1) What is accomplished in this chapter? (Could also be phrased, "Why does this chapter exist?")

2) If the chapters had titles, what would you call this chapter?

Individual chapter questions:

11: Is Barond Erondites an effective villain?

12: How has Irene changed since The Queen of Attolia?

13: Is the duel effective as a narrative/scene?

14: Is the reaction of the guard to Gen plausible?

My answers behind the cut! )
[identity profile] agh-4.livejournal.com
Welcome to April, the month before the month of Thick as Thieves! This week, we’re reading from “The stool hit the wall with a satisfying crash” to “Costis returned to his room, freed himself of belt and breastplate, and fell, otherwise fully dressed, onto his bed.” As always, these discussions are spoiler free for “The Wine Shop,”The Knife Dance,” and the Thick as Thieves arc, but we WILL probably discuss content from all four published books. Page numbers are from the 2006 paperback.

The discussion for the first five chapters is here. Next week, led by [livejournal.com profile] ibmiller , we will finish the book!

What could possibly happen in a five-chapter chunk that begins and ends in Costis’s room? EVERYTHING.

Summaries and assorted questions )

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I'd like to take a moment in this post to acknowledge and remember [livejournal.com profile] philia_fan, whose username came from Chapter Eight. Philia meant a lot to many of us here, and it was very sad to lose her when she passed away five years ago. Her insight shaped my readings of these books as much as her thoughtfulness shaped my experience of this community. So, so, so, shoutout to Philia. <3
[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
This week we’re reading from the beginning of the Prologue, "The queen waited..." through the end of Chapter 5, "...knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to assume him of."

Prologue + Chapters 1-5 of The King of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Prologue
The prologue gives us four little snippets, each is Turner giving the reader hints about the main players in this book.

In the first Attolia waits for Attolis on their wedding night. We get a glimpse at the difficulty of their union, but also this: "Today she had yielded the sovereignty of her country to Eugenidies, who had given up everything he had ever hoped for, to be her king." And with that one line she reminds us that Eugenides never wanted to be king, as demonstrated in the final scene of Chapter 19 of QoA.

The second shows us Ornon's schadenfreude at the new king's "fetters". He seems almost sinister. In case you'd forgotten, Ornon almost succeeded in making Eugenides "safely dead" in Chapter 2 of QoA.

The third introduces us to Costis, a responsible guard whom the captain, Teleus, respects. They both believe the king to be "Attolia's most dangerous enemy." We find out later (Chapter 14) that Eugenides intended to "change the mind of the man next to {Teleus}." This is the first peek at their minds.

And the final tells us that Relius fears the king and wants to limit his powers. Which is ironic since the king doesn't want to rule and the king is the one who saves him from the queen's punishment.

Chapter 1 - Wait until your father gets home!
While Eugenedes and Costis wait for the Queen to come home from hunting to issue a punishment, we learn that Costis's best friend is Aristogiton called Aris and that Costic came from a land-owning (petronoi) farm family, but that Aris's family are landless okloi. We are introduced to Laecdomon (whom the king could do without) and Legarus the Awesomely Beautiful guard and Sejanus. We learn that the king is most unkingly in dress and manner and that he has not lost his ability to enrage people.

    "He said the only thing worse than being wrong in a family argument was being right."

    "You don't walk like a king, you don't stand like a king, you sit on the throne like...like a printer's apprentice in a wineshop."


Chapter 2 - Now you've done it!
The queen comes home, and the king neatly chains Costis to Teleus. Costis is volun-told to be the king's sparring partner, and Teleus agrees to start doing his job. When the king lets Costis see a glimpse of his real self, Costis thinks he's still dissembling.

    "Unkingly, in so many ways, My King. Not the least of which is listening to your guard tell you so."

    "A snake," repeated the queen.
    "A black one. A friendly one."

    "I didn't know, Your Majesty." It wasn't an excuse. It was an admission of failure.

    "Were you lying?"
    "I never lie," he said piously. "About what?"


Chapter 3 - Making your life miserable.
Teleus makes it clear that he expects better things from his men, even if he doesn't actually respect the king, and Costis skips his first sparring match (but not the second) and gets his first taste his new responsibilities. Aristogiton is pretty sure he delivered the note to release the hounds, the king continues to sneak about in his own palace (which no one realizes, even when they see him!), and Costis has not lost the respect of his fellow guards, which baffles him, and the king promotes him to lieutenant.

    "So, so, so," said Aris, "at least my honor will be intact."

    "Shall we begin with the first exercise?"

    "Your guard is low," Eugenides said calmly...

    "When breakfast was over, the king stepped around the table and bet to kiss his wife's cheek."

    "I was listening," the king said, aggrieved. "I closed my eyes to listen better."
    "What did you hear?"
    "I'm not sure," he said. "That's why I was listening so closely..."

    "Out on the steps, Costis stopped to look at the schedule. He stared at the sheet in consternation. The king hadn't needed to hang him; he would be dead of exhaustion within the month."


Chapter 4 - Keeping your life miserable.
Sejanus leads the pack in bullying the king, and the king picks on Costis in turn. Costis receives mysterious study guides. The king gets a lesson in wheat, makes a joke, and sits alone in his room.

    "Sejanus liked his jokes. Costis was growing tired of them."

    "Thank gods I didn't ask about fertilizer," he said.


Chapter 5 - Secrets.
This chapter is very long! Relius witnesses the king's reluctance to rule but misinterprets it. The king visits Artadorus in the middle of the night, and he, too, misinterprets it. Sejanus continues his quest to irritate the king, and the king does the same to Costis. Dite writes a song about the King's Wedding Night, the king loses his temper over it, and Costis earns a day off to recover.  Ornon is no longer pleased that the king is not. The undersecretary for provisions to the navy nearly takes a very short trip to meet Eugenides's cousins, the queen offers the king some wine, and the king requests a dance instead. Eugenides tells Dite that the queen cried on her wedding night, which makes Dite his friend. Costis tells the king he would never reveal confidential information, then does so with both the queen and Baron Susa, and the valet tells him what he overheard Sejanus and Baron Erondites discussing in the baths. The assistant to the Ambassador from Eddis maneuvers Eugenides into building a bridge. Relius is arrested.

    "Don't give up hope just because chances are slim."
    "For the assassination or the heir, Your Majesty?" asked Costis.

    "He wondered how the Attolians thought Eugenides had managed to become king if he was the idiot they assumed him to be. Perhaps because they had never seen him as the Thief, with his head thrown back and a glint in his eye that mad the hair on the back of a man's neck rise up... As a ten-year-old boy, the Thief of Eddis could stop a grown man in his tracks with a single look."

    "Don't be afraid. Before I stole Hamiathes's Gift out from under your nose, these were the only dances I knew."
    "I am not afraid," she said coldly."
    "Good," said the king. "Neither am I."

    "Spare me," said Attolia, "and my court, from dancing on the roof."
    "It probably only works in Eddis."

    "I would never stoop to revealing information I knew was private."
    "Not even if you don't like the person whose privacy you are protecting?"
    "Especially not then."

    "Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of."


Closing thoughts:
If this book is Costis's Hero's Journey, Chapter 5 brings us to #6 TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. Everyone is being positioned for the main action. Relius's arrest is less important than his absolution later on. Costis is still only beginning to empathize with Eugenides, who is actively avoiding being the king. He would still much rather be the queen's husband and Thief.


Next week we will continue with KoA chapters 6-10 lead by [livejournal.com profile] agh_4!
[identity profile] an-english-girl.livejournal.com
Well, using my very limited supply of readily available Lego

here is my entry :)

King of Legottolia
KoA, Prologue. "On the palace wall, a young guard on duty looked out over the town..."

Costis standing to attention at those crenellations he gets to think about a lot more later in the book ;)


~:~:~

Yes, I know. You've never seen anything less like an Attolian guard? This may be true, but this is a bona fide Legoland Guardsman in full uniform, purchased from the original Legoland in Billund, Denmark. He cost about 50 kroner, and used to be a keyring (that's what the knob on the top of his head is!)
So, so. I did my best. Of course, if Megan had really meant it when she said "elephant"...

;D
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

I had so much fun during the character chat, that I thought it was worth it to pay ten bucks in order to save the full transcript. I do think it's a pretty sneaky way for Chatzy to get money. Honestly, it is better than ads though. Can you imagine being forced to watch a commercial for toilet paper before you are allowed to enter the chat room? Bleh.

Anyway, Livejournal won't let me paste the chat directly into this post, saying that it is too large. So I made a google doc and changed the settings so that anyone can see it, google doc users or not. Let me know if you can't access the link. There is a fun surprise ending (some of you are already aware of it though.)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11FEcHJTQPypnEUKvbNHG6Qxb-8LOlszWkzTYTfjqK_4/edit?usp=sharing

[identity profile] ricardienne.livejournal.com
At the beginning of Costis' first interview with Eugenides, he is reminded by the king's neat flip of cups into the air that not only did he attack the king whom he swore to defend, but he punched a man who was not capable of punching back:
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Eeee!

May. 20th, 2014 09:01 pm
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Megan posted this on her Tumblr, and it was sqee-worthy enough to link to.  Hand written notes!  For King of Attolia! Costis and Gen on the castle roof!

Maybe there is still hope for the wedding night scene those "deleted scenes" we've been crying for all these years. :)
[identity profile] sunshinebutter.livejournal.com
Hi Guys,

This is something that has probably come up before. As we all do, re-reading and re-re-reading the Queens Thief, I've been trying to think of what an accent sounds like when described as 'rough'. In the King of Attolia, Costis realises that the Kings accent was not what he assumed was roughness from sleep but instead his Eddisian Accent.

"Looking more like himself, he said, “You are treasure beyond any price.”He sounded more like himself, too, and Costis realized that what he had taken for the roughness of sleep was the king’s accent. While half asleep, he had spoken with an Eddisian accent, which was only to be expected, but Costis had never heard it before, nor had anyone he knew. Awake, the king sounded like an Attolian. It made Costis wonder what else the king could hide so well that no one even thought to look for it."

In my head, because its familiar to me, I tried thinking of the Eddisian accent as close to the roughness of some Scottish accents and everything else to be UK English.

What do everyone else think that it sounds like? I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks! 
[identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
Hello All!

Just to get some creativity/crack/conspiracies flowing around here, I thought why not have a confession night in Chatzy!? [The link can be found to Left, 'The Conspiracy Room'] That's right!
Where? The Conspiracy Room
When? Whenever it is "Night" in your specific location!
Why? Why NOT?!

Drop by in chatzy with your secret name and leave a secret QT confession. I don't want to limit you, so I'll let you guys take it from here [[this is a safe place to express all your QT related obsessions the good, the bad, the UgLy!]]....All reprobate-ish behavior is welcome, so Feel Free to Confess your Deepest, Darkest, Wildest QT secrets!

;-)

Ps. I have one last exam before summer, so I hope to come back and see that hilarity and chaos has ensued.

Be Blessed in your endeavors,

Elle
(The Self-Proclaimed-Sounis Matchmaker/SounisTwitter manager)

EDIT: You are are awesome, keep the secrets pouring in! Sylvester showed up after his long disappearance! Keep it going, who knows what sort of special guests might just show up these days! ;-)

-Your secret Keeper, El









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