[identity profile] 11rod88staff11.livejournal.com
This is quite possibly the greatest fanfic of all time: http://archiveofourown.org/chapters/478457?page=2&show_comments=true&view_full_work=false#comment_111179967


“Every single slight and annoyance from the day came flooding back, from being refused to accompany the hunt to disappointing her brother to Xanthippe’s stupid story to Phresine telling her the truth. Her frustration mounted in her until it could not be choked back any longer, and she ripped the wretched slipper from her foot and threw it across the room.“

Loathylady writes of the moment when young Irene, hurls her slipper across her room and it shatters her favorite amphora of hair oil, and she bursts into tears,… “as if her heart were throwing itself up against the bars of some cage.” …..

This fanfic is practically canon… my gods….

…..
It makes me remember her wedding night. If that hanging statement about being lachrymose wasn’t a direct fanfic prompt to the fandom from MWT, I don’t know what is.

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[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
I've been putting off posting about this, in order to think some things through, but folks have been commenting about it in the Chapter 13 section of the GIANT Thick As Thieves discussion. I was afraid it would be lost there and thought I'd bring the discussion out here where more people will see it, so here goes.

Lots of spoilers here, stay away! )

What do you think is going on, everyone?
[identity profile] ninedaysaqueen.livejournal.com
So, Checkers and I felt we were getting a tad disorganized with our discussions of TaT and overwhelming ourselves, so here's a little order in the chaos. Below are all current Sounis spoiler-y threads for discussing TaT. I will add new ones as we go along. Feel free to start your own thread. Just remember to hide spoilers under an LJ-cut with a clear warning.

This thread will remain "sticky" (at the top) for a few weeks or so, giving everyone a chance to read the book and comment.


SPOILERS! LOOK AWAY! )


[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
This week we’re reading from the beginning of the Prologue, "The queen waited..." through the end of Chapter 5, "...knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to assume him of."

Prologue + Chapters 1-5 of The King of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Prologue
The prologue gives us four little snippets, each is Turner giving the reader hints about the main players in this book.

In the first Attolia waits for Attolis on their wedding night. We get a glimpse at the difficulty of their union, but also this: "Today she had yielded the sovereignty of her country to Eugenidies, who had given up everything he had ever hoped for, to be her king." And with that one line she reminds us that Eugenides never wanted to be king, as demonstrated in the final scene of Chapter 19 of QoA.

The second shows us Ornon's schadenfreude at the new king's "fetters". He seems almost sinister. In case you'd forgotten, Ornon almost succeeded in making Eugenides "safely dead" in Chapter 2 of QoA.

The third introduces us to Costis, a responsible guard whom the captain, Teleus, respects. They both believe the king to be "Attolia's most dangerous enemy." We find out later (Chapter 14) that Eugenides intended to "change the mind of the man next to {Teleus}." This is the first peek at their minds.

And the final tells us that Relius fears the king and wants to limit his powers. Which is ironic since the king doesn't want to rule and the king is the one who saves him from the queen's punishment.

Chapter 1 - Wait until your father gets home!
While Eugenedes and Costis wait for the Queen to come home from hunting to issue a punishment, we learn that Costis's best friend is Aristogiton called Aris and that Costic came from a land-owning (petronoi) farm family, but that Aris's family are landless okloi. We are introduced to Laecdomon (whom the king could do without) and Legarus the Awesomely Beautiful guard and Sejanus. We learn that the king is most unkingly in dress and manner and that he has not lost his ability to enrage people.

    "He said the only thing worse than being wrong in a family argument was being right."

    "You don't walk like a king, you don't stand like a king, you sit on the throne like...like a printer's apprentice in a wineshop."


Chapter 2 - Now you've done it!
The queen comes home, and the king neatly chains Costis to Teleus. Costis is volun-told to be the king's sparring partner, and Teleus agrees to start doing his job. When the king lets Costis see a glimpse of his real self, Costis thinks he's still dissembling.

    "Unkingly, in so many ways, My King. Not the least of which is listening to your guard tell you so."

    "A snake," repeated the queen.
    "A black one. A friendly one."

    "I didn't know, Your Majesty." It wasn't an excuse. It was an admission of failure.

    "Were you lying?"
    "I never lie," he said piously. "About what?"


Chapter 3 - Making your life miserable.
Teleus makes it clear that he expects better things from his men, even if he doesn't actually respect the king, and Costis skips his first sparring match (but not the second) and gets his first taste his new responsibilities. Aristogiton is pretty sure he delivered the note to release the hounds, the king continues to sneak about in his own palace (which no one realizes, even when they see him!), and Costis has not lost the respect of his fellow guards, which baffles him, and the king promotes him to lieutenant.

    "So, so, so," said Aris, "at least my honor will be intact."

    "Shall we begin with the first exercise?"

    "Your guard is low," Eugenides said calmly...

    "When breakfast was over, the king stepped around the table and bet to kiss his wife's cheek."

    "I was listening," the king said, aggrieved. "I closed my eyes to listen better."
    "What did you hear?"
    "I'm not sure," he said. "That's why I was listening so closely..."

    "Out on the steps, Costis stopped to look at the schedule. He stared at the sheet in consternation. The king hadn't needed to hang him; he would be dead of exhaustion within the month."


Chapter 4 - Keeping your life miserable.
Sejanus leads the pack in bullying the king, and the king picks on Costis in turn. Costis receives mysterious study guides. The king gets a lesson in wheat, makes a joke, and sits alone in his room.

    "Sejanus liked his jokes. Costis was growing tired of them."

    "Thank gods I didn't ask about fertilizer," he said.


Chapter 5 - Secrets.
This chapter is very long! Relius witnesses the king's reluctance to rule but misinterprets it. The king visits Artadorus in the middle of the night, and he, too, misinterprets it. Sejanus continues his quest to irritate the king, and the king does the same to Costis. Dite writes a song about the King's Wedding Night, the king loses his temper over it, and Costis earns a day off to recover.  Ornon is no longer pleased that the king is not. The undersecretary for provisions to the navy nearly takes a very short trip to meet Eugenides's cousins, the queen offers the king some wine, and the king requests a dance instead. Eugenides tells Dite that the queen cried on her wedding night, which makes Dite his friend. Costis tells the king he would never reveal confidential information, then does so with both the queen and Baron Susa, and the valet tells him what he overheard Sejanus and Baron Erondites discussing in the baths. The assistant to the Ambassador from Eddis maneuvers Eugenides into building a bridge. Relius is arrested.

    "Don't give up hope just because chances are slim."
    "For the assassination or the heir, Your Majesty?" asked Costis.

    "He wondered how the Attolians thought Eugenides had managed to become king if he was the idiot they assumed him to be. Perhaps because they had never seen him as the Thief, with his head thrown back and a glint in his eye that mad the hair on the back of a man's neck rise up... As a ten-year-old boy, the Thief of Eddis could stop a grown man in his tracks with a single look."

    "Don't be afraid. Before I stole Hamiathes's Gift out from under your nose, these were the only dances I knew."
    "I am not afraid," she said coldly."
    "Good," said the king. "Neither am I."

    "Spare me," said Attolia, "and my court, from dancing on the roof."
    "It probably only works in Eddis."

    "I would never stoop to revealing information I knew was private."
    "Not even if you don't like the person whose privacy you are protecting?"
    "Especially not then."

    "Costis walked on through the palace and down to the Guard's barracks, knowing himself entirely guilty of what the king had not condescended to accuse him of."


Closing thoughts:
If this book is Costis's Hero's Journey, Chapter 5 brings us to #6 TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. Everyone is being positioned for the main action. Relius's arrest is less important than his absolution later on. Costis is still only beginning to empathize with Eugenides, who is actively avoiding being the king. He would still much rather be the queen's husband and Thief.


Next week we will continue with KoA chapters 6-10 lead by [livejournal.com profile] agh_4!
[identity profile] 1221bookworm.livejournal.com

As we prepare for Hurricane Sandy's impact, we hope that allowing her to blow out her frustrations on the Eastern seaboard will allow her to calm down, and perhaps begin to see Eugenides in a new, better light. (Or at least give him a few sand free days as she is busy elsewhere!!:)






More Hurricane names ... )


[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
When I realized how many Sounisians were having technical difficulties, I grabbed a pen and paper and set to work making (imperfect) notes. Here they are!

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[identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
In CoK, we learn that Gen first realized he loved Irene while "hiding in a takima bush in the Queen's Garden, watching [Dite] tell Attolia that he loved her."

Do you think this could be one of the things Gen told Dite in the (in)famous garden scene?

Click for guesswork... )


Yes? No?


KoA

Apr. 26th, 2011 07:11 pm
[identity profile] missmoonbeam.livejournal.com
ok, here are my questions from KoA - yay, i'm so excited, because this is my favourite book in the series for the moment (it keeps changing).

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[identity profile] openedlocket.livejournal.com

After meeting [livejournal.com profile] velvetrose09  in the comment thread of this post, we decided to meet in the Conspiracy Room to settle a very important issue. The issue: who is Dite really married to?


Since LJ says it's too big to post here
[identity profile] diadactic.livejournal.com
Hi, all. I'm a pedantic diabetic, hence the username, and I've been a fan of the Attolia series for a number of years.   I reread the series probably twice a year. I was wondering if there would be a fourth book, and if so, when, which is how I stumbled upon this group. I enjoyed reading the short story that was printed in the Disney magazine; I hadn't known it existed. I liked some of the questions, too. Here are some questions for you:

1. Has anybody made a map of Attolia, Sounis, Eddis, and their islands that I can see? Perhaps superimposed over a map of Greece?

2. I was looking at the pictures people drew and wondering, am I the only one who is picturing the characters as being brown skinned?

3.  What did Eugenides say to Dite in the garden?

4. Why doesn't Eugenides feel that Attolia will need a large guard to fight the Mede? Is the guard different from the army? Or is the army at its largest still way too small?

5. Why is this group called Sounis?
[identity profile] ladymoon-kora.livejournal.com
 Ok, I've had this question for a while, but I keep forgetting to post.  I was wondering what some of you thought about the pronounciation of "Dite."  You see, I say it with a long i and no e sound at the end, but I noticed that the audiobook says Dit-e, long i and e at the end.  (I hope this is making sense--I don't know how to do macrons on this).  So what do you think?  
[identity profile] bluestalking.livejournal.com
THE IMPORTANT PROLOGUE:

Dite wrote a ditty
That was really rather snitty
And it got the court all giggling a lot

We know what happened then
(For we read it now and then)
But we wonder, Dite Younger's words--were what?



THE VERY IMPORTANT EXPLANATION:

As a post by [livejournal.com profile] saved29 has prompted a recurrence of curiosity over what exactly the words of "The King's Wedding Night" by Erondites the Younger are, common comment consensus has agreed that the only solution is to make them up ourselves. Thus it is declared:

THE "THE KING'S WEDDING NIGHT" LYRICS (& IF YOU WISH, MUSIC) WRITING CONTEST!

The rules for this contest are as follows:

1) Post your lyrics here in this very thread for everyone to enjoy.

2) Although the total degree of obscenity in this song is left vague in the book, I would like to ask that you please do not be too gross. We are an all-ages comm. We have both young minds and old delicate people on this community. Their brains need protecting. We need to respect that.

3) NO ENFORCEMENTS OF ANY PARTICULAR (OR EVEN JUST "ANY") RHYME SCHEME OR METER WILL BE UPHELD. LONG. SHORT. MIDDLING. DO WHAT YOU WILL. BE FREE, LITTLE DANCING BEARS!

4) You can submit more than one "The King's Wedding Night" but you are only guaranteed one prize.

5) Please note the following:

THE DEADLINE FOR THIS AWESOME CONTEST IS SUNDAY THE 18TH OF JANUARY, AT WHATEVER MIDNIGHT YOUR TIME ZONE HAS.

Awards will be announced the following week.



THE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PRIZES:

Since I am posting this thing and making up rules &c., I hereby declare that I will draw one not terribly ornate (because when would I do this?) piece of Queen's Thief-related fanart for everyone who participates, as per their PG-13 or lower request. Again, everyone who contributes gets a prize.

If anyone wants to contribute additional prizes, inc. but not limited to:

-invisible knitting needles
-cookies
-red wool beards
-scraps from the sail of a pirate ship

. . .they are so very welcome to do so, and can email me about it at etvulpesvelox@gmail.com.


Go forth, and create!
[identity profile] aged-crone.livejournal.com
I figured my last entry on this topic was far enough back to warrant a new one.

1)Why does Dite go to Gen's room when he's hurt? Okay, they're getting along better, but I didn't get the idea that they were good friends; doesn't sitting by his sickbed seem a bit much?

2)How did Gen know Relius was lying, in the scene with the spies who had been injured and sent back by the Mede? Was it just insight into the way Relius was speaking, or did he have other information that conflicted with what Relius was saying?

3)Near the end of the book, when Costis is hauled out of bed to get the king down from the battlements: doesn't it seem a bit unfair that the guards/attendants would be hanged if Gen fell? I can see their being punished for not saving him from an outside attack, but if he's stupid enough to get drunk and fall off a wall, how is it their fault?

4)Where did all those scars of Gen's come from? Not the side, or the one at his shoulder, or the fetters or the dog bites, but the thigh and all the others. (Not the bruises, either; those I understand).

5)How is it that neither Relius nor Teleus had figured out that the queen loved Eugenides? (Or, come to that, that they weren't told?) And that Relius only seems to figure out that Gen became king only because he wanted to marry Attolia after he's arrested, tortured, etc.? I know Attolia's not terribly revealing, but those two were closer to her than anybody else.
[identity profile] peggy-2.livejournal.com

What are the Community theories surrounding Heiro's visit to Gen after his attack by the assassins and before the nightmare?  When I first read it, I assumed she brought the quinalums, at Gen's request, so he could spike his own lethium.  Now I'm not so sure.  What else might they have discussed?


And later, the queen accepts Petrus, the court physician, did not spike the lethium.  After the Dr leaves:

"You trust him?" she asked. ...
"I know something you don't," the king told her.
"Who put the quinalums in the lethium?"
"That too."

"that too" - What else does Gen know besides who put the quinalums in the lethium???

[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
I've been waiting for most everyone to finish reading KOA to ask this. This is the one thing I just could not seem to wrap my brain around, no matter how many feeble attempts I made. But I feel like this is important for the plot.

Why did they cry on their wedding night? And what, then, did Gen tell Dite in the garden?

I must have answers. I have ideas, and [livejournal.com profile] coricurbob gave me a great answer (where has she disappeared to?) during the chat. What do you all think?
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