[identity profile] canonisrelative.livejournal.com
I'm in an online class and there's a guest speaker this evening, her name is EUGENIA and she just signed into zoom and the first thing I noticed was that she is wearing AMAZING earrings. My whole evening is made.

Beautiful

May. 16th, 2017 12:48 pm
[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
The tears in my eyes are making it kind of difficult to read...

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[identity profile] live-momma.livejournal.com
If you haven't already, check out last week's discussion of QoA Section One (chapters 1-8) lead by [livejournal.com profile] ninedaysaqueen.

This week we’re reading from the beginning of Chapter 9, "The hunting retreat was a summer home..." through the end of Chapter 14, "...and ran back down the rampart stairs even faster than he had climbed them."

Chapters 9-14 of The Queen of Attolia
These discussions are spoiler free for the new short stories, “The Wine Shop” and “The Knife Dance,” as well as the “Thick as Thieves” arc.

There will be spoilers for books 1-4, so if you haven’t read all the published books yet, proceed with caution.

Read more... )


"My Queen?"
"Only for that."


Next week we will continue with QoA chapters 15-21 lead by [livejournal.com profile] pendrecarc!
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

I had so much fun during the character chat, that I thought it was worth it to pay ten bucks in order to save the full transcript. I do think it's a pretty sneaky way for Chatzy to get money. Honestly, it is better than ads though. Can you imagine being forced to watch a commercial for toilet paper before you are allowed to enter the chat room? Bleh.

Anyway, Livejournal won't let me paste the chat directly into this post, saying that it is too large. So I made a google doc and changed the settings so that anyone can see it, google doc users or not. Let me know if you can't access the link. There is a fun surprise ending (some of you are already aware of it though.)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11FEcHJTQPypnEUKvbNHG6Qxb-8LOlszWkzTYTfjqK_4/edit?usp=sharing

[identity profile] kiscakat.livejournal.com
Hello everyone!
I am new here – I stumbled across this site quite by accident, and am oh, so glad that I found it! I LOVE these stories – and it is so nice to find other, like-minded people who know how to recognize a truly amazing piece of literature! I have not had anyone to talk over the books with…but after reading many of the posts and threads, would like to bring up a few ideas that I have had over the years of enjoying these stories and see what others think of them. (Please forgive me if I write about something that you have already discussed and just point me in the direction of that particular thread.)

1.Earrings: Is there something more to the earring in the stories than first meets the eye?
Evidence:
(A) In the stories, Gen has stolen many earrings (placed them alters) and given Irene a pair of earrings.
(B) Later, in KoA, he dances with the Lady Themis’s little sister, Hero, and when she tells him her father will wonder what he sees to admire, he tells her: “That’s easy. Tell him I like your earrings.” (p.156)
(C) After he is wounded, Gen allows Hero to be admitted to his room and talks quietly with her. When she leaves, Costis hears Gen say to her “I hope your father appreciates what a good friend you are to me.” (p.204)
(D) And I need to read ACoK again, but I believe that there is at least one earring reference in that book as well.

So, I am beginning to believe that there will be more to this than meets the eye…perhaps Gen is pulling together a group of trusted people to work for him and one means of identification (for the women at least) is the earrings that they wear…

2. Opinions, please, on the following idea: Gen asked the gods if he was really supposed to be king…and their answer was unequivocally “Yes”
My reasoning:
(A) In KoA, there is a scene (Chapt.5) where Gen flips a coin over and over – and it keeps landing on “lilies.” This means that Gen is to rule. (“Heads I rule, lilies you do.” Attolia responds, “Lilies, you rule, heads, you throw again.”) Gen is disgusted and throws the coin out when he leaves the room. (The implication is that gods were controlling the outcome of the coin toss.)
(B) He spends time sitting in a chair – looking in the direction of Eddis (homesick)
(C) Then, later in the book Gen storms off to the temple with a letter he has written for the great goddess. The priestess tells Gen the goddess already knows his question and won’t allow him to enter the temple to ask it. The Oracle comes out and snatches the letter out of Gen’s hand, tears it in half, and hands it back saying only, “Your answer.” All that is left on the page is the signature “Attolis.” (p. 140)

3. Could Irene be pregnant?
Evidence/Reasoning behind this thought:
(A) When Costis is talking with Aris in the bar (p.148-149), Aris points out that Gen hasn’t forced the issue of heirs. (Of course, we know there’s no need for him to…)
(B) Then, take p. 87 where Costis and Gen have been sparring and Gen hits Costis with the sword and gives him the rest of the day off:
“That’s better. Keep up that obedient attitude and you could be Captain of the Guard someday. It’s true, the queen would never have you, but we could both be assassinated, and you could be captain to my heir. Don’t give up hope just because the chances are slim.”
(C) p.185-186: Gen is being stitched up by the Dr. after the assassination attempt, Irene faints, and Gen goes crazy and only calms down when he registers the words “The queen is fine!” Now, for a long time I thought that she was just bother by the site of his blood b/c of all that had transpired between them in the past…but, with the other lines, could it also be that she is already pregnant? Just a thought…
[identity profile] deirdrej.livejournal.com
Hi, everybody, and a very Happy Valentine's Day to you all!

So….(so, so).

Some time ago I was watching TV. Well, actually, it was New Year's Day, and I was watching the New Year's Concert from Vienna. So as the lovely music was playing, they started to show a dreamy confection of a palace. And then some dancers came leaping onto the scene. And I was thrilled out of my mind, because she was a beautiful, dark-haired woman, and he was darker and shorter than she, so I said...

OH, LOOK! It's Eugenides and Irene!

I have made some digital art out of them -- and no, they don't look quite right. But I hope you find them romantic anyway ;-D
They are under the cut --
Read more... )
[identity profile] tatyb94.livejournal.com
Alright, so I'm here again with another post I wanted you guys to look at. This time it's a post about the earrings Gen stole and gave to Attolia in the Queen of Attolia. I would have put the pictures up here, but they wouldn't fit for some reason (still trying to figure this place out), so, once again, have a tumblr post.

Basically, I was thinking about the earrings and found a jewelry customizing site where I tried my best with what they had there to create them.

I also ended up doing some other jewelry (rings and such), and looking up pictures of headbands on etsy that I could match to them, as Gen's point in giving her the earrings was because they matched her Hephestia-style imitation headpiece.

Anyway, check it out if you want to. Here is the link:

http://brokebackpurgatories.tumblr.com/post/42227753808/alright-so-yesterday-i-was-thinking-about-the

What do you think?

(Also, if anyone could tell me how to put images up on here properly, that would be great.)
[identity profile] meltintall3.livejournal.com
I'm making a pair of earrings. It seemed like a good idea to do Attolia and Attolis mini-figures... but I'm not sure what sort of symbol she might hold in her hand.


Design under the cut )


[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
So I posted the pictures, and now here's the words to go with 'em.


My (lengthy and yet lacking) account of the event, for those interested. )


And hey, did anyone go to LeakyCon and see Megan there? If so, please tell us about it!
[identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com

That in QoA Eddis mentions a pair of earrings that Gen stole from her. When she asks where they are, Gen carefully avoids answering...later we learn that Gen has left Attolia a pair of earrings he thought she would like (basically pissing her off to no end). When I read this, I immediately thought "THAT'S WHAT HE DID WITH EDDIS'S EARRINGS!"

And then I wondered what the rest of you thought....

So, thoughts?

Also: I have two friends that have just started the series, and I'm basically bitting my tongue when I'm around them!! My predictions are that one of them will really like QoA and the other will really like CoK. But I feel like I'm nagging them to read the rest of the series. Any advice for me or them?? loll Also what are some of your favorite parts of The Thief? Or maybe those little things you never noticed? I want to bring them up, but I'm having a hard time remembering them all! 
[identity profile] readsintrees.livejournal.com
Here are a few icons that I've made in the last few days (sorry they're not square):

                 

[identity profile] keestone.livejournal.com
I was just skimming through an article on  Demeter and Persephone, and came across this:

"The priestesses of Demeter at Eleusis were called melissae, "bees," "producers of sweetness." Perhaps they saw their role as helping bring forth the fruitfulness of the Earth Mother, drawing from her the sweet sustenance of their living. The bee was also sacred to Artemis of Ephesus; her chief priest was called Essen, "bee." Priestesses of Cybele were named Bees. The oracular priestess of Delphi was called Bee. And deborah, the Hebrew word for bee, was also the name of the most well-known woman prophet of Israel. Plato likened the souls of lyric poets to bees, as "light and winged and holy," "bring[ing] songs from honeyed fountains." Bee goddesses, priestesses or queens, honeycombs and beehives are found in the artwork of Tiryns, Mycenae, Delphi and Crete. The "tholos" tombs of Anatolia, Crete and Greece are shaped in the form of the beehive. It appears that the lives of nectar-gathering bees, "fed on honey fresh, food of the gods divine," and housed in well-structured communal societies centered about a queen, were seen by peoples of the ancient Goddess cultures as exemplary of a good life."  (Keller, Mara Lynn.  "The Eleusinian Mysteries of Demeter and Persephone: Fertility, Sexuality, and Rebirth." Journal of Feminist Studies in Religion, Vol. 4, No. 1 (Spring, 1988) if you have access to JSTOR and want to read the whole article)

I couldn't help but think that all of those references would be things Attolia would want to evoke.  What a perfect symbol for earrings for a queen who needs to subtly emphasize her power and her right to rule.  Not to mention, the story of (um, I'm blanking here and my books are elsewhere) Hespira (?) that Eddis tells Gen and the Magus in QoA (which parallels Gen and Irene's story) is a riff on the Demeter and Persephone story.  :D

Anyhoo, back to the grindstone for me.

[identity profile] readsintrees.livejournal.com
So, let me just say that this community has completely upped my obsession with The Queen's Thief. It is so much easier to go nuts over a lesser known trilogy when you get to discuss it with other people.

That said, my recent increase in obsessive behavior has led me to find and buy these on eBay:



Sure, they're not exactly how I pictured them, but they're GOLDEN BEE EARRINGS!! *gives obsessive fangirl squeak of ecstasy*

(Note, they cost me $13.50. They're gold plated and MUCH shinier in person than that pic implies)

Anyway, the point of this post wasn't to geek out over earrings. I wanted to discuss the potential symbolism of the golden bees.

Am I the only one that wonders what it was that made MWT give Attolia golden bee earrings that are mentioned several times throughout QoA? She could have easily said that Attolia had to barter her jewelry and then gain them back without mentioning anything specific....but she didn't. She specifically mentioned the bee earrings.

Traditionally, bees stand for many different things. Bees often symbolize working hard, for being a community, for wealth, abundance. They even stood for chastity and purity because it used to be believed that bees were just born spontaneously. Some ancient cultures had bees representing the afterlife and resurrection.

So what exactly is the symbolism behind Attolia owning bee earrings?

My guess is that one of the most common meanings for bees is the one that applies most to Attolia. Bees were frequently symbols of monarchy, of ruling, of being royalty. This stems from the fact that in a bee hive there is a single queen bee that was viewed as ruling over all others in the hive (we now know that the queen bee is more of a factory than a ruler, but we'll overlook this for the sake of the symbolism). Could queen bee be representative of Attolia?

Think of when the bee earrings come into play. They're mentioned when she uses them as bribes to gain control of her country (becoming the queen), and they're mentioned again when she stabilizes herself as a ruler and buys back her old jewelry (finally being the absolute monarch). They seem to be her favorite item of jewelry, and I wonder if this is symbolic of her showing off that like a queen bee, she is the sole ruler of her country.

Ah...but when does she turn away from her golden bees? When she waves them away in favor of Eugenides' ruby earrings. She passes up on the bee earrings when she finally resigns herself to marrying and ruling alongside a king. I can't recall them being mentioned in KoA, so it's like she really did give up the bee earrings when she gave up being the lonely queen bee.

What do you think? Do the bee earrings represent Attolia when she is the solitary queen of her country? Something else?



[identity profile] pigrescuer.livejournal.com
As many of you know, [livejournal.com profile] rowana, [livejournal.com profile] emerald_happy, [livejournal.com profile] hebe0 and I went to London this weekend.

We had a lot of fun, including using the Stick of Insanity to choose a coffee shop to sit in, being presented with Reprobate Socks, wandering around the Greek section of the British Museum and arguing about Attolian geography, and visiting a bead shop.

And in the bead shop we saw these )

Poetry

Apr. 19th, 2008 10:10 pm
[identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
It's National Poetry Month!  Jade has had me thinking about poetry and I came across this last week.  When I saw references to golden bees, flowing water, and dreams of gods I thought I'd post it here.  It's by Antonio Machado.


It's quite lovely.

[identity profile] smills47.livejournal.com
It mightn't be too surprising that I arrived here bursting with questions, some of which have been answered by my delving through the archive, but others of which are still out there (well, I'm still delving, but curiosity is getting the better of me). If any of these have been discussed before, I'd be most grateful if someone could point me to the source.

Question #1: In KoA, Eugenides makes a point more than once of complimenting Heiro's earrings. Why? Maybe they remind him of the ruby earrings? Or had he himself secretly given them to her, as a kind of consolation for her being beaten by her father on his account? Or do they just happen to be pretty earrings that awaken a Thiefish impulse to steal them as an offering to Eugenides the god? Or something else?

Question #2: At what point did you all start to like Attolia? I read the books in order, without any preconceptions except for knowing the titles of all three, and after reading TT, the idea I had was that Attolia was the Beautiful But Wicked Queen who was going to be vanquished. That impression was reinforced by the beginning of QoA; in particular, her staying for the cauterization because she wondered if he would scream this time seemed to me more than a little ghoulish. It wasn't really until the last part, when I realized that they must be meant for each other after all because, by gum, she was as good at dissembling as he was, that I really warmed to her.

Question #3: I'm now (naturally!) on my first re-read of TT and finding so many hints, foreshadowings, and hindshadowings (if that's a word) that my eyeballs are revolving. My favorite so far is: "[Sophos]'s going to be a duke?" I said, surprised.... "If his father doesn't strangle him first," [Ambiades] said. (PB, p.52) Do you all have any other favorite lines?

oh dear

Dec. 7th, 2007 08:29 am
[identity profile] inconceivablelf.livejournal.com
so I just re(re-re-re-re-re-re-re-)read TT, QoA, & KoA, and I came up with a question that I'm sure you all will have answers for:

In QoA, Attolia is thinking about what exactly she's going to do to Eugenides: ".......She had to consider that Eugenides, though he'd caused her no hamr beyond stealing something she hadn't known she possessed, could become the measurable danger to her that he was to Sounis."

what did he steal? (is this completely obvious and I didn't notice?) her peace of mind? her security? something more concrete then that?
[identity profile] hebe0.livejournal.com
Recently in the Conspiracy Room we've been discussing Attolian etc. clothing, in particular what the men wear (and yes, underwear did get mentioned!). Checkers suggested discussing it here as well.

So, how do you visualise the clothes, or don't you? It seems pretty much up to our imaginations - the books are mainly vague (on purpose, I think?). For the men I've seen various mentions of pants/trousers, a kilt, shirts, undershirts, overshirts, tunics, coats, robes, and a cape - but not all together ;-) And we know Eddis sometimes wears trousers instead of a dress or robe.

And how distinct do you think different regional fashions are? KoA has the King wearing a Medean style and Relius Continental, and talks of an Eddisian tunic.

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