[identity profile] agh-4.livejournal.com
Welcome to April, the month before the month of Thick as Thieves! This week, we’re reading from “The stool hit the wall with a satisfying crash” to “Costis returned to his room, freed himself of belt and breastplate, and fell, otherwise fully dressed, onto his bed.” As always, these discussions are spoiler free for “The Wine Shop,”The Knife Dance,” and the Thick as Thieves arc, but we WILL probably discuss content from all four published books. Page numbers are from the 2006 paperback.

The discussion for the first five chapters is here. Next week, led by [livejournal.com profile] ibmiller , we will finish the book!

What could possibly happen in a five-chapter chunk that begins and ends in Costis’s room? EVERYTHING.

Summaries and assorted questions )

I'd like to take a moment in this post to acknowledge and remember [livejournal.com profile] philia_fan, whose username came from Chapter Eight. Philia meant a lot to many of us here, and it was very sad to lose her when she passed away five years ago. Her insight shaped my readings of these books as much as her thoughtfulness shaped my experience of this community. So, so, so, shoutout to Philia. <3
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com
I recently toured the Pompeii exhibit in Kansas City and had a great time. One thing which was fascinating was the information on how a hypocaust works. I also took some pictures which i thought you all may enjoy. The items on display were authentic, not replicas. The exhibit had TONS of artifacts, in excellent condition. There was also a room depicting what the volcano eruption would have looked like, and showed how long it took. The entire time I was in that room I was thinking about Eugenides's vision in QOA. Pretty terrifying stuff. The final room in the exhibit included the famous figures of the people who died in Pompeii. It felt kind of irreverent to take pictures of them, but you can Google them if you are interested.

See photos here! )


Mar. 24th, 2015 01:49 pm
[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com
Excerpt from CoK:

Sounis turned to the magus. "Did you know?"

"That he was relentless?" The magus finished his question. "Yes. That he had this in mind, no. I did not realize that he disliked the ambassador so much."

"Melheret has a reputation as one of the best swordsmen in the Mede court," a soldier informed them, having overheard. "They say he trained the former ambassador, Nahuseresh."

"Ah," said the magus, understanding at once. "I see that he means to be prepared if he meets him again."

"Surely that's unlikely," said Sounis.

"I don't think unlikely means to him what it does to the rest of us," said the magus.

Sorry magus, I'm starting to agree with Sophos.

Let's do some math, folks!
The Thief 1996
Five years later: QoA 2001
Five years later: KoA 2006
Four years later: CoK 2010

As of yesterday, it has been five years since CoK was released. I think we're due.

Yet, no news. Interviews from MWT have dwindled. Sounis has grown quiet. The majority of posts by its members tend to be about other fandoms, or asking for reading suggestions.  Because we have NOTHING to read.

Will Eugenides ever get his revenge? #watchoutpointybeard #swordskillz

Will the Eddisians escape the sacred mountain in time? #ohnolava #zipcodechange

Will we ever find out why the woman in the kitchen still includes sand in certain recipes?  #what'swrongwiththegravy #i'mnothungry

Is the poor elephant doomed to wait ten years before he is stolen from a nameless intimidator? #impatientpachyderm #omghowcanistealthat

Will I ever break this cycle of despair when I read those fatal words, "'You gave me the gun.' They both laughed." and realize I just finished the book, with nothing new in sight? #whatnow

I know, I know. Stop whining and go to bed.

This has been a pity party by puppeteergirl. #icandoanythingiwant #smashinginkpots

Proceed with your attempted encouragements or your commiserations below.


Nov. 15th, 2014 12:38 pm
[identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
So, I came across this quote on Tumblr today. How could I NOT think of Eugenides?

“Myths are stories about people who become too big for their lives temporarily, so that they crash into other lives or brush against gods. In crisis their souls are visible.”
- Anne Carson, Introduction to Grief Lessons: Four Plays by Euripides
[identity profile] canonisrelative.livejournal.com
Right, so I was unsure which of the tags was most fitting of "Oh hey this random thing reminds me of Eugenides and I just had to share!" BUT!

Some of you must enjoy the Marvel/Avengers movies, yes/yes? I have only recently fallen head over heels for them and heartily recommend Thor 2 for anyone looking for some epic adventure sprinkled liberally with witty banter, sibling angst and general hilarity.

And Loki. Oh, Loki.

So this thing has been going around, inspired by ...

You may see where I'm going with this... )
[identity profile] 1221bookworm.livejournal.com

As we prepare for Hurricane Sandy's impact, we hope that allowing her to blow out her frustrations on the Eastern seaboard will allow her to calm down, and perhaps begin to see Eugenides in a new, better light. (Or at least give him a few sand free days as she is busy elsewhere!!:)

More Hurricane names ... )

[identity profile] puppeteergirl.livejournal.com

Uhhh...I was searching for a fanart of Gen that someone here drew (the one where he looks really cocky and is twirling something around his finger - it was a sketch) and I couldn't find it, so I googled "gen the thief" on the images search. I found this:


Some AWESOME artwork drawn up! *Sigh* if the right people got their hands on this series, it would be EPIC. The question is, do I want QT to go mainstream? I'm kinda happy with it being slightly obscure. There are also so many ways to TOTALLY mess the story up (dumbing it down for the masses) that make me nervous whenever anyone says, "This should be a movie!".

I'm half "OMG SQUEE!" and half, "Keep your PAWS off my favorite books!"

Opinions? Help with finding that fanart?

Still haven't been able to find that pic...I think I'm getting obsessed with this... <:-/

[identity profile] shelver506.livejournal.com
I had to stop my re-read of The Thief to catch up on my reviews for my blog, but when I picked it back up again this week, I caught something I hadn't before. Remember the story Gen tells about Eugenides and his brother Lyopidus and the fire?

  For a time, Eugenides evaded his request [to do something awesome], but Lyopidus built up his arrogance, telling him over     and over how clever he had been to defeat the Sky God, how much more clever he could be if he just put his mind to it. For instance, he could steal the thunderbolts again, just for a lark, and then return them to Hephestia. (p. 118 of my edition)

I read this and thought, gosh, this sounds familiar. In QoA, Gen is his own Lyopidus. He stole the Gift; therefore, he's a master thief. He keeps telling himself he'll never be caught, never be outmaneuvered. He toys with Sounis, with Attolia, "just for a lark."

In the legend, Lyopidus' pushing sets the world on fire and he dies. In QoA, Gen's bravado and Attolia's subsequent actions set the countries on fire with the flames of war. Gen's cousins die, leaving him as bereft as Eugenides over Lyopidus. And the gods have their hands in both stories.

Clearly, it's not a perfect analogy (no god was "out to get" Gen like the Sky was after Eugenides, etc.), but it did give me a pause.
[identity profile] shelver506.livejournal.com
The gate was made out of blocks of stone bigger across than I am tall. Something else supposedly built by the old gods, it was topped by a solid stone lintel with two carved lions that were supposed to roar if an enemy of the king passed beneath them . . . They remained silent as we passed under.

Another passage I've been wondering about. Why do you suppose the lions didn't roar? I've come up with a few possible reasons.

1) The Sounisian old gods are different from Eddisian old gods and therefore do not exist (this presumes theistic system that excludes ALL other gods, new, Mede, and Attolian gods included).

2) MWT sets up the scene as a way to invalidate all mythological systems in order to make the later appearance of the gods that much more shocking. Any in-world reason for the lions not roaring is conveniently neglected in order to make the proper plot statement.

3) The gods recognize Eugenides, not the current Sounis, as the proper king due to his future title of Annux. (This presumes a theistic system featuring at least one omniscient god [as opposed to Moira, who has only partial foresight.])

[identity profile] shelver506.livejournal.com
I've always wondered when reading a book as twisty as The Thief or its sequels how exactly certain details fall into place. For instance, in the very beginning, we read this moment between the Magus and Gen:

"We might someday attain a relationship of mutual respect," he said softly. First, I thought, I will see gods walking the earth.

Obviously, exactly that happens. The gods walk, then mutual respect. But which chronology is more likely? Did MWT scribble this fairly common figure of speech down and then coincidentally make it come true later? Did she scribble it down and then later go "Oh! I can use that!"? Did she place the figure of speech in the paragraph purposely, having already anticipated what would happen next? Or did she write the later stuff, then go back and slip the phrase in during edits?

Granted, this is a fairly simple example and the penultimate option is the most likely. But in general, which do you all think happens the most? I can't come up with other examples at the moment.

Duh Moment

Dec. 21st, 2011 04:09 pm
[identity profile] theorangethief.livejournal.com
The other day I was reading a greek mythology book and it hit me, Miras, you know Costis' god of light and arrows, is just like Apollo. Coincidence? I think not. It hit me so suddenly that I jumped and my teacher asked if I was ok.

Has anyone else had any Duh moments concerning QT lately?
[identity profile] annalibelle.livejournal.com
 I'm new, so I don't know whether this has already been discussed but...
 So at the end of QoA, Eugenides sacrifices to the gods, but Moira tells him that the gods have no messages for him. Then another goddess speaks to him and shows him the dream about the volcano.
Who is that godess? It can't be Moira because she was just there, and she is "standing between Eugenides and the Great Goddess" so she's not Hephestia. Is she the goddess mentioned in the Eddis short story?
[identity profile] stubefied-by-gd.livejournal.com
Crazededdisian's most recent comments on the post about Costis got me thinking more about The Jump from the palace roof at the beginning of QoA again, in relation to the line in KoA we were discussing when Gen says if he tried it now he's probably eviscerate himself, which is of course true - and also in relation to two more things:

1. A line someone else delivers, probably Ornon, about how Gen had confessed to them that he often thought the distance was beyond him, but he did it anyway, which I always took to be a sign of utter faith in his god - that, as he was in his role of thief, he was safe unless his god willed otherwise

2. The king telling Costis he has a "superstitious fear of falling" at the top of the stairs after the assassination attempt, when Gen shouldn't be afraid of falling down stairs, because his belief is that the won't do that until his god is done with him, unless he's so rattled by the attack that he's afraid his time is up

Now, I always thought Gen's faith was firm all through KoA. I mean, the gods pretty much told him just a few months ago exactly why they had done everything that looked like forsaking him. The walking around on the parapets was a demonstration of that faith, right? But now I'm wondering.

So. "I would probably eviscerate myself." Is it just being realistic for once, or is it an admission that he's a bit worried at the moment that his god is done preserving him? And what does it mean in the context of the rest of that scene?

I know each of these things has been discussed before, but have they been looked at together?
[identity profile] heiros-acumen.livejournal.com
So I am taking an art history class and all the Christian symbolism is tough for me to understand, because I don't have a strong religious background. And as The Thief books are always on my mind, it got me thinking about possible symbolism in the MWT books. Are there any references, Christian or otherwise, that people see that have gone right over my head? Any connections between Eugenides and Jesus? Or Attolia and Aphrodite? I'd love to hear other thoughts!
[identity profile] aspectabund.livejournal.com
Hi guys! I am still not dead! I am super busy with school though, since this is the year we animation students do a group film! It is tiring and draining and fun all at the same time, and does not leave much room for doing or thinking about much else, including the rest of my non-group-film-related homework! So I have been neglecting you folks again. :C

This trend will only continue though, so to make myself feel better I did a quick paintover of an old piece of mine for you guys.

Original's [over here]. Done over two years ago! I remember how proud of it I was when I did it back then. New one's a bit better though, hmm?

Pee-ess, I can't remember if I've ever posted this on here, but I've got an art blog that I update every couple weeks or so, and it is:  http://noodlenoggen.blogspot.com/ It'll probably be school stuff for the next while, but since our film is about a a boy's virginity unicorn thwarting his attempts to make out with his girlfriend, this is probably not a bad thing!

Toodle pip for now!


Oct. 27th, 2010 04:59 pm
[identity profile] creative-lefty2.livejournal.com
So, I've been re-reading The Thief and have just reached the part where Gen is talking about tools. As the Magus tells Gen "No one would mistake you for anything but a tool" (57). Gen then gets all annoyed and touchy. But really, Gen is a tool, and not just to the Magus. He is a tool of the gods, who are keeping him around and protecting him for some over-reaching purpose that has something to do with defeating the Medes, or so I presume. This leads to the second half of the quote: "If a sword is well made, does the credit go to the blacksmith or to his hammer?" (57). But since the gods are controlling Gen, and many people no longer believe in those gods, the tool will get the credit.

I think this is what Gen is trying to forget in the wall scene in King of Attolia, where Gen is a philosophic drunk. He is the gods' tool, and he does not want to be. It has relatively little to do with him being king, especially considering that he is king because of the gods intervention. You get the impression that Gen tells you what he is trying to forget when he is chatting to Costis, but I want to bet it is deeper than just Gen not wanting the gods' gifts. Overall, it is not gifts that are the problem, but catching the gods attention and having them realize that you might be useful to them...which is what happens to Gen...and Sophos...and Eddis...and others who have not come to light yet.


And this is more a random aside that I've always wondered about: does anyone know if MWT has any sort of background in geology? In her stories it seems like the world has been created with a mind to geological processes and there is a greater variety of rock types than one usually finds in fictional books., which indicates, at the very least, Geology 101.
[identity profile] drashizu.livejournal.com
So, I've been rereading The King of Attolia (what else is new?) and I've come across two passages that are, interestingly, in contradiction with each other.

(1) "I have a superstitious fear of falling," Eugenides admitted. "Let me put an arm over your shoulder while we get down the stairs." (p. 169)

(2) "Your Majesty, please get down," Costis said hurriedly. ...
"Why? Costis, I'm not going to fall."
"You're drunk."
"Not that drunk," said the king. "Watch." He tossed the wineskin to Costis, who caught it and clutched it in horror as the king turned himself upside down...
(p. 338)

What gives? )
[identity profile] deirdrej.livejournal.com
 Hi, everybody!

Maybe you remember that I wrote a tune for "The Invocation to Hephestia" a while ago. Well, now I have a youtube channel (all due to Katniss Everdeen, et al.) So I thought I would make a video of the Hephestia song. I hope you enjoy it!

[identity profile] spellcoats.livejournal.com
WARNING: I am prefacing this post with a notice that it will contain references to and discussion about language that some people find offensive. This is meant to be in a purely intellectual, sociolinguistic context. I've avoided use of specific words as much as possible, but if you don't think you can read this without being offended, well... Don't read it. You have been duly warned.

Okay, now that that's out of the way...!

I've admitted to this community before that I am a huge linguistics nerd, and one of the things about languages that I find most fascinating is taboo language, or profanity. Not just because I admit I fully love the uses of the words, but also because profanity is inherently reflective of topics a culture finds taboo. It's like a little linguistic microcosm of social mores.

In English, the top three taboos are:

Cut as per above warning. )

All three topics have unpleasant associations in at least America and England (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Brits), but in other cultures and other languages, that's not the case. For example, in Quebec, France, the top tier profanities are all Catholic Church terminology. It goes far beyond damning people: the French "tabernacle" and "sacrement," when used by Quebecois French-speaking characters in films, are often translated to the hardcore English swears, whereas on Quebec TV and radio, the hardcore English swears aren't even censored, but the Quebecois ones are. All this because of Quebec's bad history with the Catholic Church. In one of the Percy Jackson books, Annabeth Chase uses an Ancient Greek insult that's translated to go to the crows--innocuous-sounding at first, until you realize how big of a deal proper funerary rites were to the Ancient Greeks, and how saying "go to the crows" was like saying "I hope you die a coward's death and your body is left to fester and rot in a ditch as carrion." Really not pleasant!

SO, earlier [livejournal.com profile] jade_sabre_301 and I were discussing what the taboos in the Queen's Thief cultures could be. We've heard Gen use "damn," but the context indicates it's a fairly mild oath in Sounis, Eddis, and Attolia, just like in English-speaking societies today--though for Gen, after the events of The Thief, it's much more serious and carries much more weight because he understands how very real the threat is. Obviously this means there's some sort of tiered afterlife, at the very least in the Invaders' religion, likely in Eddis's as well: the worthy go to the good place while the unworthy go to the bad.

But what about other taboos? Jade suggested the coleus leaf, which is at least a symbolic insult (Gen soaks away the coleus-shaped dry spot on the dead soldier's uniform in The Thief); possibly there is an insult derived from the actual word "coleus," though not being a Greek scholar nor Megan, I can't say for sure. A thought I had was that there are insults in Eddis or Sounis and Attolia or all three relating to the mercantile trade, thanks to the Merchant Empire's occupation. An equivalent to the negative English stereotype of the greedy Jew, if you will, which goes back to the Catholic Church's ban on Christians being moneylenders, which meant Jews could do it and Christians would take loans from them, though they still looked down on the moneylenders as un-Christian and greedy.

So! Thoughts? Ideas? Bonus points to anyone who can come up with possible Medean taboos, because I am at a complete loss.
[identity profile] rose-amidlilies.livejournal.com
So I was thinking randomly about the mystery of Ornon's sheep instead of sleeping right after reading a book that the Greek god Hermes is in and I had a eureka moment; the myth where Hermes steals apollo's sheep! Here's a link to the myth if interested: http://www.greek-gods-and-goddesses.com/greek-god-hermes.html


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